Views from a Creation Scientist

[spiritman]

Hi Hal:

I'm sure most creation scientists realize the evidence for evolution is scanty at best.

If I was to post quotes from evolutionists which are also admissions that their evidence is based on their belief system would you call them out of context?

Actually if you read the actual creation researchers; people such as Todd Wood and Kurt Wise, and not just the apologists who write popular articles on websites such as Anwersingenesis, they agree that there is good evidence for evolution. Wise for example is trained in paleontology, why don't you read his article on the fossil record - http://www.bryancore.org/anniversary/04.pdf ?

The difference is that your quotes would almost all be ripped out of context and used in ways that the authors would not have agreed with. These however are entire articles written to discuss certain things. I have not removed a single quote from either of these people's articles, they are presented in full for people to see them as they were written.

If the team over at Answers in Genesis were to start blowing the trumpet for macro evolution; I would immediately disown them as a group that I would place trust in, and place them in the same category as Evolutionists and no longer believe a word they say.

[spiritman]

1st off anyone here who believes that man evolved from a lower primate, slim, or even those people who say we were seeded by aliens, are calling the Bible a lie, and therefore since it's the word of God, are calling God a liar. The scripture says; "Let every man be a liar"; but yet God's word is true. Do you Christ realize what you are saying???

"The danger of a simple faith is simplistic answers." - Ravi Zacharias

1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Psalms 14:1 (KJV)

[spiritman]

Uh, I think the only science "expert" here is Lurker given that he actually teaches it.

I hardly think a certified third-grade teacher qualifies one to be a "scientist" or an "expert" on scietific matters.

As for evolution being the bedrock of biological sciences, I would say yes.

What is your definition of "evolution"? There is a world of difference between biological evolution (science) and Darwinism (metaphysics). You do know the difference between science and religion - right?

Evolution: heritable changes in gene frequency over time. I've posted this numerous times.

Darwin's theories support this definition. Just look at his observations and conclusions for natural selection (here, I'll help you out).

Darwin's Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection

Observation 1: All populations have the potential for exponential growth

Observation 2: Populations don't do this. Not all individuals have children and not all children survive.

Deduction 1: There must be a struggle for existence

Observation 3: When you look around, nature is full of variation.

Deduction 2: Some variants are favoured over others.

Requirements of Natural Selection

1) There must be variation of traits within a population.

2) These traits must be inherited.

3) There must be environmental pressure.

And notice how I put "expert" into quotation marks in my original post. Read more carefully next time.

Here I think you need some assistance on you definitions of Micro-evolution verses Macro evolution:

Micro evolution: Microevolution is the occurrence of small-scale changes in allele frequencies in a population, over a few generations, also known as "change below the species level"[1].

These changes may be due to several processes: mutation, natural selection, artificial selection, gene flow and genetic drift

Macro-evolution: Macroevolution is a scale of analysis of evolution in separated gene pools.[1] Macroevolutionary studies focus on change that occurs at or above the level of species, in contrast with microevolution,[2] which refers to smaller evolutionary changes (typically described as changes in allele frequencies) within a species or population.[3]

Source Wikpedia.

Chris just like every evolutionist I've talked to on here so far; you are confusing macro-evolution ( Changes from one kind to another, example dog to cat); with Micro evolution ( Natural selection, small changes).

[Sir Gareth]

If the team over at Answers in Genesis were to start blowing the trumpet for macro evolution; I would immediately disown them as a group that I would place trust in, and place them in the same category as Evolutionists and no longer believe a word they say.

Do you not see any problems with your logic here? "Authorities are only good as long as they agree with ME! As long as they do they are rock solid but the second they stray from my views they become lying agents of Satan."

its about the same as taking the evidence that supports darwinian evolution and clinging to it while sweeping all the vast amounts of counter evidence under a rug, isn't it?

[Hal P]

Chris just like every evolutionist I've talked to on here so far; you are confusing macro-evolution ( Changes from one kind to another, example dog to cat)

Fantastic, absolutely hilarious.

Tell me, are these the type of transitional organisms you think we should be looking for - http://www.jrj-socrates.com/Cartoon%20Pics.../Catdog_300.gif ?

[spiritman]

Well,

As the Character Russell Carlisle once said, in the movie Time Changer; ( Real scientific evidence) confirms the Biblical account of things; And our Bible says; That the earth was created in 6 literal days; and that God made man from the dust of the earth. So any evidence to the contrary is just hog wash. The simple fact is, that man loves his sin so much, that he has to make up a fairy tail in order to pretend that there is no God; that way he can continue in his sin.

But there is a day coming in which all doubts will be erased.

You really can't have it both ways, either science supports your interpretation of the Bible or it does not. It does not fall to you and you alone to define "real" science as only that evidence that agrees with you since such definitions render the whole concept of science and evidence completely meaningless.

The truth is what the evolutionists believe is not true science, but in fact is a plot hatched by the father of all lies, to destroy man kinds belief in a creator. And it's doing a good job too. Every since the Bible has been removed from our class rooms, pregnancy, murder, rape, have all increased; this is what abandoning God has done for our country.

You're kidding right? Were you friends with Jerry Falwell? I suppose you have evidence and stats for what you're claiming.

Evolutionists never said they were seeking to destroy people's faith in god. You just assume because that's what you do. Assume. With ignorance and judgement right in tow.

Your harsh words; do not phase me one bit. Because I know the truth. I'm not getting any where with you, so I'm gracefully bowing out of this conversation.

[spiritman]

If the team over at Answers in Genesis were to start blowing the trumpet for macro evolution; I would immediately disown them as a group that I would place trust in, and place them in the same category as Evolutionists and no longer believe a word they say.

Do you not see any problems with your logic here? "Authorities are only good as long as they agree with ME! As long as they do they are rock solid but the second they stray from my views they become lying agents of Satan."

1st off I'm quoting you scripture; they are not my own views. Second off the scripture is quite clear what a Christian is to do in the case of a prophet that starts talking against the word of God. or in this case a group; answers in Genesis, have proved to follow the truth in the past; but If they were to turn from the truth, then we are no longer to trust them.

Deut 13:1-3 (NASB)

1 "If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder,

2 and the sign or the wonder comes true, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, 'Let us go after other gods (whom you have not known) and let us serve them,'

3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams; for the Lord your God is testing you to find out if you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

[spiritman]

Hey Horizon,

Not only is the logic flawed for evolutionists, but they can't read either

[spiritman]

Well I'm done; when discussions get to the point of mud slinging it's time to leave.

[Guest]

.... There is overwhelming evidence for evolution. And for an (extremely) old Earth. The fairy tale is on your side, not science's ....

Truth

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Genesis 1:31

Speaks

Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

John 9:41

And All Will Hear

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 5:28-29

And Will Know The Truth

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

John 11:25-26