Questions for people who say Christians can't accept evolution

[Rick-Parker]

Mark 2:23-28 addresses you question. 23 Now it happened that He (Jesus) went through the grainfields on the Sabbath; and as they went His disciples began to pluck the heads of grain. 24 And the Pharisees said to Him,

[CSLewis]

Who said anything about homosexuality?

[Guest shiloh357]

Answer the question. Why do you not preach against people who work on the Sabbath but preach against homosexuals? Where's your right to pick and choose what to follow in the Bible?

why do you care? we preach against lying, theft, adultery, murder, sexual deviance of all kinds.

it's what we preach for that would solve it all: love your neighbor as you love yourself. put their needs above your own. if we all did that? wow, what a wonderful world it would be (lol, as the song goes).

i'm sorry to say that i have never seen a happy homosexual. i've known many; the seeming happiness with the lifestyle is a facade. why support it, why not help them out of it, instead. God can do that.

I've seen unhappy closet homosexuals. But the ones who come out are much happier. They're free to be themselves. You have no right and are in no position to say that their happiness is a facade. Leave them be. It would be a wonderful world if no one judged anyone, but you claim scripture to do just that.

the suicide rate in the homosexual community is very high. Too high to claim they are happy people. They are very unfulfilled and empty people.

[leoxiii]

This claim that Christianity and evolution can not co-exist has been repeated by essentially every creationist on here, most recently by shiloh357 - http://www.worthychristianforums.com/darwi...87#entry1450587 - so that is who this is mainly directed at, although it applies to everyone else who makes the same assertions.

When Christians become trained in the sciences and then encounter what they consider to be compelling evidence for evolution, what do you think they should do? From what you are saying, the only option is for them to renounce their belief in Christianity and become non-believers. Is that what you would want them to do rather than becoming theistic evolutionists? Are they not allowed to share what they have learned as scientists with their fellow Christians? At what point does the evidence from natural revelation reach a level where it has to be seriously considered? How do you know that it is not your interpretation of the Bible that is flawed? Even if you disagree with scientists, have you read evangelical theologians and scholars who disagree with you; John Walton, Denis Lamoureux (he is both a scientist and a theologian), or Bruce Waltke?

The Early Fathers debated over the days of creation. Saint Augustine questioned the first 3 days, wondering "what kind of days they might have been" having no sun or moon. He was also of the mind that God could just have well created everything simultaneously, and that the 6 days were really six lessons on God's creative powers. Others took the stance that since a day was like a thousand years to the Lord, that the days of creation were 6 thousand years. That same school of thought also contended that since God told Adam he would die on that day, and Adam lived to 960 years old, then that "day" was actually a thousand years. They also contended that since Jesus was born at the start of the 4th millenium, the world would end after the end of the 6th millenium, and that the 7th millenium would be the millenial reign of Christ.

Actually, I really like the 6 days = 6,000 years one, and the end of the world at the end of the 6th millenium. There is a kind of symmetry to it, and I have OCD when it comes to symmetry. But I accept the plain words of Scripture that the days of Genesis are actual 24 hour days. No serious Hebrew scholar would ever concede that those days could be anything else, for the sacred author of Genesis used very precise terminology so there would be no mistaking Him.

As to Christians who become trained in the sciences, if they become theistic evolutionists they have not lost their faith entirely, but they are certainly walking on the edge of a knife.

If all man did was fall from the trees, then the work of Christ on the Cross becomes somewhat gratuitous and superfluous.

That real men existed before Adam is incompatible with Christianity.

That real men existed after Adam who were not descendants of Adam, is also incompatible with Christianity.

That Adam and Eve symbolize many parents (polygenism) is also incompatible with Christianity.

That the first woman was not miraculously taken from the side of the first man is also incompatible with Christianity.

That spirit and soul are epiphenomenons of matter is also incompatible with Christianity.

That does not leave a lot of wiggle-room for theistic evolution.

[MorningGlory]

Answer the question. Why do you not preach against people who work on the Sabbath but preach against homosexuals? Where's your right to pick and choose what to follow in the Bible?

why do you care? we preach against lying, theft, adultery, murder, sexual deviance of all kinds.

it's what we preach for that would solve it all: love your neighbor as you love yourself. put their needs above your own. if we all did that? wow, what a wonderful world it would be (lol, as the song goes).

i'm sorry to say that i have never seen a happy homosexual. i've known many; the seeming happiness with the lifestyle is a facade. why support it, why not help them out of it, instead. God can do that.

I've seen unhappy closet homosexuals. But the ones who come out are much happier. They're free to be themselves. You have no right and are in no position to say that their happiness is a facade. Leave them be. It would be a wonderful world if no one judged anyone, but you claim scripture to do just that.

the suicide rate in the homosexual community is very high. Too high to claim they are happy people. They are very unfulfilled and empty people.

Maybe they're killing themselves because people like you are running around trying to tell them how to live their lives. You have no right to say they are unfulfilled, empty people. No right. You can't read minds. You're not a god. Leave them alone. Seriously, you guys think "loving thy neighbour" will lead to a peaceful, great world? Sure, as long as you're not being hypocritical and judging them at the same time.

Yeah, maybe it's the fault of Christians that homosexual suicide rates are many times the average; it's easy to see how their lifestyle is the result of Bibical teaching.

[MorningGlory]

I've seen unhappy closet homosexuals. But the ones who come out are much happier. They're free to be themselves. You have no right and are in no position to say that their happiness is a facade. Leave them be. It would be a wonderful world if no one judged anyone, but you claim scripture to do just that.

And yet...you don't hesitate to judge Christians, do you? I might point out that YOU have no right to say, nor are you in a position to do so, that Christians brainwash children and yet....you say it often. Such hypocrisy you've got going there, Christopher.

[ForwardFromEden]

Answer the question. Why do you not preach against people who work on the Sabbath but preach against homosexuals? Where's your right to pick and choose what to follow in the Bible?

why do you care? we preach against lying, theft, adultery, murder, sexual deviance of all kinds.

it's what we preach for that would solve it all: love your neighbor as you love yourself. put their needs above your own. if we all did that? wow, what a wonderful world it would be (lol, as the song goes).

i'm sorry to say that i have never seen a happy homosexual. i've known many; the seeming happiness with the lifestyle is a facade. why support it, why not help them out of it, instead. God can do that.

I've seen unhappy closet homosexuals. But the ones who come out are much happier. They're free to be themselves. You have no right and are in no position to say that their happiness is a facade. Leave them be. It would be a wonderful world if no one judged anyone, but you claim scripture to do just that.

the suicide rate in the homosexual community is very high. Too high to claim they are happy people. They are very unfulfilled and empty people.

Maybe they're killing themselves because people like you are running around trying to tell them how to live their lives. You have no right to say they are unfulfilled, empty people. No right. You can't read minds. You're not a god. Leave them alone. Seriously, you guys think "loving thy neighbour" will lead to a peaceful, great world? Sure, as long as you're not being hypocritical and judging them at the same time.

Having read this entire thread, which was no small feat. I can not see in one instance where anyone tried to tell anyone what to do except for the ones pushing the homosexual agenda. They are the only people here telling others they should or should not do certain things because of their innate ideology.

Psychiatrists call this projection, I believe it to be applicable here.

The Chrtistians point without exception has been that the loss of Heaven for those who pursue life styles against the word of God is a terrible thing. But not one time can I find where they have told anyone to do anything. They have expressed what is necessary to be saved from sin in general and homosexual behavior specifically, but have told no one to do any thing.

The one exception would be the member that was being harassed did tell the harrassers to leave them alone.

[MorningGlory]

Having read this entire thread, which was no small feat. I can not see in one instance where anyone tried to tell anyone what to do except for the ones pushing the homosexual agenda. They are the only people here telling others they should or should not do certain things because of their innate ideology.

Psychiatrists call this projection, I believe it to be applicable here.

The Chrtistians point without exception has been that the loss of Heaven for those who pursue life styles against the word of God is a terrible thing. But not one time can I find where they have told anyone to do anything. They have expressed what is necessary to be saved from sin in general and homosexual behavior specifically, but have told no one to do any thing.

The one exception would be the member that was being harassed did tell the harrassers to leave them alone.

Good post. And welcome to Worthy!

[CSLewis]

If I am paying the rent and the food and the

light bill and taking you to school everyday you are going to church with me on Sunday - don't like it ? Well when you are 18 and out of the house you can do whatever you want -

[CSLewis]

Chris - of course parents teach there children what they know - atheist parents teach there children also. As a parent you have a duty and obligation to care for and nurture your children , this

includes teaching them morality and your belief system. It would be

neglect not too.