KINGDOM OF MESSIAH

[SteveK1]

The church has not replaced Israel. We are a wild vine grafted in. The promises for Israel --- their land ---- and their future promises of the Messiah's kingdom are eternal promises. The promises made to Abraham were before the law. God made the promise to Abraham while Abraham was asleep, so the covenant with Abraham was based upon the good Lord's word and not on Abraham and his desendents actions. As you mentioned Romans 9, 10 and 11 talk about the fact that God has not forgotten his people Israel.

Unfortunately some churches teach a replacement theology idea, which is not Biblical.

[nebula]

The secular nation of Israel remains in unbelief

[Guest shiloh357]

Of course the Bible reveals that universal truth

[Guest shiloh357]

The secular nation of Israel remains in unbelief

[Guest shiloh357]

The secular nation of Israel remains in unbelief

[Guest shiloh357]

That did not happen the last time they were restored to their land. In fact, they rejected the Messiah as a nation and remained in unbelief. Ezekiel 36, starting at verse 17, shows Israel restored to their land in unbelief and then coming to faith.

You're simply erecting a straw-man

[RebekahDavid]

Blessings,

its pretty clear Biblically who Israel is even in the New Testament:

Revelation 7

1And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

2And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

3Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

4And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

6Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

7Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

8Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

Is there a difference Biblically in what they can do and others who are saved can not ? yes:

Revelation 14

1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

2And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

love your sister in Christ,

Rebekah David

[lekh l'kha]

Do you have any more cut and paste jobs from others to help improve your thought process?

horizoneast,

Play the ball and not the man.

In the thread on "New Covenant" you stated in a post reply to me something to the effect that the land of Israel is not given eternally to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob or that the Kingdom of Christ has nothing to do with the land of Israel. You've changed your tune slightly, I see?

http://www.worthychristianforums.com/coven...39#entry1462139

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Quote: horizoneast

... If you are referring to God

[lekh l'kha]

no one disagrees that: (1) the Jews have been restored to

[lekh l'kha]

Hebrews 5:11 - "About this we have much to say that is hard to explain, since you have become dull in understanding."

(Citations from Hebrews and Galatians deleted for brevity. See above for full text)

Tell me, Rufus, since you seem determined to show that you can't understand things that are hard to explain. What has the law of Moses which you consistently quote as above to do with God's promises to Abraham and Christ's inheritance in the earth?

Bible Study 101-A: The citations which you so blithely dismiss as being from the law of Moses were from the book of Hebrews and the book of Galatians, both in the New Testament...and you want to launch an ad hominum attack. Your polemic has no merit.

Rufus, hang on. You're starting to make me laugh. I'll leave it here.

Lekh

Wise choice. Better to retreat than go down in ignominious defeat.

The truth is you made me realize for the first time in my life what the Toronto blessing is all about. I could hardly type.

So the seed of Abraham have been replaced by the seed of Abraham because the Mosaic Covenant God made with the seed of Abraham has been replaced by the New Covenant God made with the seed of Abraham, and the passages in Hebrews, Galatians etc which contrast the Mosaic Covenant with the New Covenant are not referring to the Mosaic Covenant.

Made sense to me

God bless brother - and thank you - you made my day!

Proverbs 18:2;

20:3;

12:23.

Pro. 18: 2

A fool has no delight in understanding, but only that his heart may lay itself bare.

Pro. 20: 3

It is an honor for a man to cease from strife, but every fool exposes himself.

Pro.12: 23

A wise man conceals knowledge, but the heart of fools cries out foolishness.

Pro.25: 11

A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver.

Rufus,

Play the ball and not the man.

And God bless you - you made my day again