Nicene Creed

[BlindSeeker]

1Pe 3:19 By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

What is clear in the verse above is that

[Botz]

Yes . . . by His Spirit in Noah. He didn't go there after the cross . . . He was there via His Spirit before the flood. But they wouldn't listen . . . so they're in prison.

Really illuminating the light is dawning, I have read the Scriptures and cross-referenced them, without looking at commentaries etc, and I can see more clearly what you are getting at regarding His Spirit being in Noah, and the Ark being a beacon for salvation at first, and later salvation itself...and all the time the people who watched Noah and his family build it for 100 years, had the opportunity to believe in G-d, and repent and be saved...I had never quite seen this before, and I am pretty sure it is the correct approach for this part of Scripture.

So do you think that Jesus also went to that part of the afterlife holding cell where the righteous went (Abraham's bosom) and proclaimed the victory over sin and death, and led those captive to death, captive to the new freedom and victory He had triumphed in?

Many thanks for the clarity about Noah by the way...helps me alot.

[BlindSeeker]

Yes . . . by His Spirit in Noah. He didn't go there after the cross . . . He was there via His Spirit before the flood. But they wouldn't listen . . . so they're in prison.

Really illuminating the light is dawning, I have read the Scriptures and cross-referenced them, without looking at commentaries etc, and I can see more clearly what you are getting at regarding His Spirit being in Noah, and the Ark being a beacon for salvation at first, and later salvation itself...and all the time the people who watched Noah and his family build it for 100 years, had the opportunity to believe in G-d, and repent and be saved...I had never quite seen this before, and I am pretty sure it is the correct approach for this part of Scripture.

So do you think that Jesus also went to that part of the afterlife holding cell where the righteous went (Abraham's bosom) and proclaimed the victory over sin and death, and led those captive to death, captive to the new freedom and victory He had triumphed in?

Many thanks for the clarity about Noah by the way...helps me alot.

After you read the "Faith Chapter" of Hebrews . . . what do you think these words mean?

Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

[Botz]

After you read the "Faith Chapter" of Hebrews . . . what do you think these words mean?

Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Sorry computer was down yesterday.

All of those who died before Jesus, never fully understood to what extent or how, G-d would reveal Himself to the world, and yet they believed G-d, and put their faith in Him, knowing that their Redeemer lives.

Until the L-rd returns, we who have also not seen Him and believed, also await the redemption of our flesh through the ressurection...we know who the Savoiur is, and we have been filled by His Spirit...but when G-d finally ressurects everyone...we will join together with them and thus be made perfect.

At least this is how I see the Scripture that you have pointed out.

[BlindSeeker]

After you read the "Faith Chapter" of Hebrews . . . what do you think these words mean?

Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Sorry computer was down yesterday.

All of those who died before Jesus, never fully understood to what extent or how, G-d would reveal Himself to the world, and yet they believed G-d, and put their faith in Him, knowing that their Redeemer lives.

Until the L-rd returns, we who have also not seen Him and believed, also await the redemption of our flesh through the ressurection...we know who the Savoiur is, and we have been filled by His Spirit...but when G-d finally ressurects everyone...we will join together with them and thus be made perfect.

At least this is how I see the Scripture that you have pointed out.

I was just trying to understand your position on the "captives" in your previous post. Were they captives during their life? or after their death?

[Botz]

I was just trying to understand your position on the "captives" in your previous post. Were they captives during their life? or after their death?

Right....I see Sheol as a place where the dead go pre-Yeshua.

Sheep to one side 'Abrahams Bosom/Paradise'; goats to the otherside where there is thirst, darkness, weeping wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Those in Paradise are awaiting the Redeemer because they are 'captive' to death as no one has yet been ressurected...they are not somehow captive and under the jurisdiction of Satan.

I have often wondered if there is a link between this and the dead that were seen walking around after Jesus was crucified.

[Rick-Parker]

Then there is 2 Cor. 5:8 "We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord."