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You all have some great answers. I want to thank you for posting them. :wub: Melasthanatas, you mentioned "I've been too to many churches that are more worried about the "healing and deliverance" than getting people saved or helping Christians in their walk with God." There needs to be a balance. Preaching salvation, the need for Jesus is important, as well as seeing people get the help they need. Jesus did mention in Luke4:18 that He came to set the captives free, to heal the broken hearted, to set at liberty them that are bruised, to recover sight to the blind. Isaiah 53:5 does mention that by His stripes we are healed.

Healing and deliverance does help people in their walk with God. It liberates people not only from physical infirmities, sickness and disease, but also mental oppression, depression, etc. It sets people free emotionally as well as physically. The apostle John mentions in third John vs 2 "Beloved, I wish above all things that thou may prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospers." The soul is your mind will and emotions. In order to help people n their walk with God, they need to be set free from all the garbage that got into the mind while in the world.

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Eph 4:17 So this I say, and affirm together with the Lord, that you walk no longer just as the Gentiles also walk, in the futility of their mind, 18 being darkened in their understanding, excluded from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart; 19 and they, having become callous, have given themselves over to sensuality for the practice of every kind of impurity with greediness. 20 But you did not learn Christ in this way, 21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus, 22 that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit, 23 and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.

Romans 12:1 Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. 2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.


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You all have some great answers. I want to thank you for posting them. :laugh: Melasthanatas, you mentioned "I've been too to many churches that are more worried about the "healing and deliverance" than getting people saved or helping Christians in their walk with God." There needs to be a balance. Preaching salvation, the need for Jesus is important, as well as seeing people get the help they need. Jesus did mention in Luke4:18 that He came to set the captives free, to heal the broken hearted, to set at liberty them that are bruised, to recover sight to the blind. Isaiah 53:5 does mention that by His stripes we are healed.

Healing and deliverance does help people in their walk with God. It liberates people not only from physical infirmities, sickness and disease, but also mental oppression, depression, etc. It sets people free emotionally as well as physically. The apostle John mentions in third John vs 2 "Beloved, I wish above all things that thou may prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospers." The soul is your mind will and emotions. In order to help people n their walk with God, they need to be set free from all the garbage that got into the mind while in the world.

Unfortunately, in my experience, I can't speak for everyone, their sole focus is on healing and deliverance. I've been in churches where they didn't even open their bibles. It was straight to yelling and screaming. The thing is, you can get an adrenaline rush from these kind of things and I think people get kind of addicted to that.


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Sorry I misunderstood the question :emot-highfive: I was thinking you were asking why people don't get healed sorry again.


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I think there are many charlatans posing as Christian Healers - I've been to services that were absolutely chaotic and I did not feel the presence of the Lord, at all.


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We need to believe, not just convince ourselves we believe.

It should be like starting your car, if your car doesn't start you are shocked, even outraged (unless your car is undependable).

We should have more faith in God's promises than we have in our cars.

We should be shocked when healings don't occur rather than the other way around.

I know for certain that my unbelief gets in the way far too often. But I am learning, growing.

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Unfortunately, most of those I have heard in the ministry have a reputation of false teaching or twisting scripture. Because of this, when a true preacher comes around, the lie of the false teachers have already cast a shadow on the ministry as a whole. This is a true shame and those who are teaching falsely will be held responsible for their words and the negative affects they have caused.

You are right. We have attended many of these meetings, it's really sad. You say the lie of the false ones cast a shadow on the ministry as a whole. Yes, but the mandate to take the whole truth without reservation is on many who have hesitated to complete their call due to this very reason. The call on my life & husband was put on hold, by us, not God because when we did step out, we experienced the rejection. Now, we are in a place where it doesn't matter anymore, we are stepping out to be obedient in these things, just started public meetings, only 5 have come at each 2 meetings, but God has been faithful to help them. I'm called in the prophets office and we deliver the word, pray for them & just believe God that He's doing the rest. We know the pastors fight us on this because they are not adding 'works' to their messages; no healing, no deliverance is available to their congregations. Those coming are very hungry for the full gospel of truth with allowing God, through prayer, to touch them. We are placing ads locally here, not sure exactly how to notify others that we are making ourselves available. Any suggestions would be appreciated. God bless you!

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We need to believe, not just convince ourselves we believe.

It should be like starting your car, if your car doesn't start you are shocked, even outraged (unless your car is undependable).

We should have more faith in God's promises than we have in our cars.

We should be shocked when healings don't occur rather than the other way around.

I know for certain that my unbelief gets in the way far too often. But I am learning, growing.

Good for you, your words are right on and you ministered to me today. Wish I could find more like you. Healing is truly for today as back then. People need God's touch so very much, but when from the top down, the leaders don't have faith in the whole word, with believing it, how can the sheep believe when their shepherd does not? Where can people go to gather with other believers who also believe?


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Yes, it is a sad fact that there are many who's only interest is to get finacial gain out of tricking people to come to their so called healing meetings. Some hire people in the audiance to pretend they are ill, and pretend to get instant healing with a wave of the pastors hand, and we should be careful and watch out for such fakers.

I would say that anyone who asks you for money in order to heal them maybe suppect, also someone who will not pray for ones healing out side a public meeting might be suppect. Of course it's hard to peg them all down. However on the other side of the coin, there are those who truly believe in the healing power of God, that do pray, and God grants their request. I've seen prayer answered from God to many times from people praying to him, of course it was in small prayer circles, and in a private home. After words the person healed went to the doctor, and it was confirmed by the doctor, You should have seen the look on the doctor and nurses faces, when they looked at the x-rays. it was a kodac moment :laugh: Praise God He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.


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You all have some great answers. I want to thank you for posting them. :laugh: Melasthanatas, you mentioned "I've been too to many churches that are more worried about the "healing and deliverance" than getting people saved or helping Christians in their walk with God." There needs to be a balance. Preaching salvation, the need for Jesus is important, as well as seeing people get the help they need. Jesus did mention in Luke4:18 that He came to set the captives free, to heal the broken hearted, to set at liberty them that are bruised, to recover sight to the blind. Isaiah 53:5 does mention that by His stripes we are healed.

Healing and deliverance does help people in their walk with God. It liberates people not only from physical infirmities, sickness and disease, but also mental oppression, depression, etc. It sets people free emotionally as well as physically. The apostle John mentions in third John vs 2 "Beloved, I wish above all things that thou may prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospers." The soul is your mind will and emotions. In order to help people n their walk with God, they need to be set free from all the garbage that got into the mind while in the world.

Unfortunately, in my experience, I can't speak for everyone, their sole focus is on healing and deliverance. I've been in churches where they didn't even open their bibles. It was straight to yelling and screaming. The thing is, you can get an adrenaline rush from these kind of things and I think people get kind of addicted to that.

Greetings Melasthanatos,

Like you, I don't understand how there is church service, with no bible in use.

Now concerning the Sunday that deliverance and healing services was taking place could it had been that way because the Holy Spirit led it in that order for that Sunday? At the church that I attend, it always starts with praise and worship...followed by exaltation, offerings, message given,,alter prayer.....Then on another Sunday the service start off praise and worship, exaltations then bam!! the Holy Spirit will move for whatever reason God says.

This example is what I have received and I move accordingly, so don't take it personal.

When the moving of the Holy Spirit gives the instruction to the pastor, he/she can't do anything but obey.

As a believer and filled with the Holy Spirit, then it's my place to flow with whats taking place. We are to enter His presence with expectancy so that God can do what needs to be done. As I yield to the Spirit, praying and asking God to have His way, the atmosphere change, becoming empowered from on high, and those that are in need can be delivered and set free.

We as believers are to become sensitive to the Holy Spirit. We should to be able to become intercessors (at the drop of a hat) on others behalf. There are

people that are dieing from the tricks of the devil. When they enter in our service, there should be a shifting of the Spirit so others maybe healed or delivered from whatever ails them.

I love this passage from Matthew 9:11-13. I quote it from the Amplified Bible.......

And when the Pharisees saw this, they said to His disciples. Why does your Master eat with the tax collectors and those (preeminently) sinful? But when Jesus heard it, He replied, Those who are strong and well (healthy) have no need of a physician, but those that are weak and sick. Go learn what this mean: I desire mercy (that is readiness to help those in trouble) and not sacrifice and sacrificial victims. For I come not to call and invite (to repentances) the righteous (those who are upright and in right standing with God), but sinners (the erring ones and all those not set free from sin).

............jotful :laugh:

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