Expelled

[Sir Gareth]

Thereason that Ben Stein did not interview any so called christians who believe in evolution is because the movie was not really about religion so much as it was about the right for ID to be taught in schools, the evolutionary atheists were the ones who kept pushing the religion issue so Ben pushed back.

[Bold Believer]

I recall the big stink ID caused in York PA a few years ago when they tried to have it taught in the schools there.

While ID is better than Darwin's garbage, it still skates around the truth. God created the cosmos by His Word, Jesus Christ. Magog wants to stamp that out.

[B3L13v3R]

Great movie. Enjoyed many of the truths that were presented along side of the many lies that so many hold dear to.

Hope Ben Stein as a Jewish man one day comes to find Jesus Christ the Messiah (Yeshua HaMashiach) as his Messiah/Savior one day.

[Sir Gareth]

Lame. I was a big fan of ID for a while, but at the end of the day they never produced anything. Intelligent Design is, in reality, simply a philosophy of science (if that), not a theory. Unless, that is, they ever come up with a testable hypothesis. The great tragedy of ID is that they would have had a much better shot if they had started with physics instead of biology. But such is life. The movie itself is pretty rife with half-truths, especially about those supposedly suffering from the wrath of "darwinists".

Lurker

Well by your own standards then macro evolution and common ancestor are not theories either, as you CANNOT test either of them. (i don't know why you are so hard headed to not understand this after so long)

[Hal P]

OK let's compare evolution (what you refer to as "macro evolution and common ancestor") and Intelligent Design for their predictive power and testability.

Evolution - All living organisms are descended from a common ancestor/ancestral gene pool and have diversified via natural processes such as natural selection, and genetic drift.

Predictions

We should still be able to observe evolution occurring, albeit on limited scales - Check

The oldest and deepest geological strata should contain the most simple organisms and then progressively more diversified and different organisms should begin to appear as we go up to more recent rocks, as old species ultimately give rise to new ones - Check

Transitional fossils of different types should exist, such as those linking large taxonomic groups, as well as those showing general lineage change, and they should be approximately temporally arranged - Check

All organisms should use basically the same genetic code, inherited from the common ancestor(s) as there would have been no chance for it to be radically altered - Check

Organisms should be distributed around the planet in certain ways, i.e. organisms on islands close to mainland areas should strongly resemble those on the mainland, but oceanic islands should only contain organisms that are able to travel the large distances involved. Closely related species should be found near to each other, unless there is a reason why they would not be, such as migration or plate tectonics - Check

Phylogenies constructed using different methods should show the same tree - Check

We would expect to see nested hierarchies, groups within groups, as particular traits are acquired by organisms and then handed down to all descendent species - Check

Organisms' DNA should be extremely similar to those other organisms with whom they share recent a recent common ancestor and should them become progressively more different compared to organisms with whom they share more distant ancestors. Eg, humans' DNA should be most similar to chimps, slightly less similar to gorillas, less similar to a macaque, less similar to a dog, less to a frog, less to a flower, ... and so on indicating a branching tree - Check

... and we can make more and more as we develop more techniques and acquire more data, in as much detail as we wish, to form hypotheses which can then be tested.

Intelligent Design - Some aspects of the natural world are best explained by reference to the actions of an intelligent agent rather than undirected natural processes

Predictions

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Edited December 21, 2009 by Hal P

[JusSumguy]

Intelligent Design - Some aspects of the natural world are best explained by reference to the actions of an intelligent agent rather than undirected natural processes

LOL... Because it's the only conclusion which fits.

When we talk of intelligent design, we must talk of the origin of life. I know "science" would like to keep the two issues separate. But they aren't.

When we talk of the origin of life, we can reach no other conclusion than Goddidit.

If one is going to follow a faith based religion (evolution), why not follow the one which promises eternal life (Christianity), rather than eternal questions?

It's like a bad steak, this evolution stuff. The more you chew on it, the thicker it gets.

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Edited December 21, 2009 by JusSumguy

[Hal P]

When we talk of intelligent design, we must talk of the origin of life. I know "science" would like to keep the two issues separate. But they aren't.

When we talk of the origin of life, we can reach no other conclusion than Goddidit.

The origin of life must necessarily be different from evolution as evolution deals with inherited genetic changes in reproducing organisms, and so by definition can not occur before genes exist. Now the origin of life is most definitely part of science, but it is just not part of 'evolution'. You can't just lump everything you attribute to divine action as 'evolution' and then insist that all of it be explained in the most precise details or it must all be rejected. You can't replace strongly empirically supported models and frameworks that demonstrably work with nothing that doesn't.

We can never in science come to the conclusion that there is no explanation for something other than a supernatural one. The very, very best you could ever do would be to show that no known natural explanation is known, or that current models are inadequate. With regard to the origin of life, the few people who are researching would say that progress, slow though it is, is being made.

Here are reports on recent research;

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/...91110070320.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/...91120124829.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/...90829091049.htm

But even if in 500 years we still are no further forward in understanding the processes that produced the first living organisms, the only conclusion we could draw would be to simply say "we just don't know," not that "Goddidit."

Edited December 21, 2009 by Hal P

[Guest HIS girl]

I watched the movie Expelled last night and i was a little shocked but not too surprised.

I always knew that Darwinists held the majority vote in the scientific world, and i knew they had done some work to block competting theories.

But i was unaware that there had been so much work to stop competting theories, denying tenure, firing people and discrediting them simply because they said ID should be given some credence.

And now i know why there are so few peer reviewed articles about ID, because the evoliutionist dogma in charge FIRES editors who allow the articles to be published.

I haven't seen it but sounds very interesting - something I would like to watch.

[JusSumguy]

With regard to the origin of life, the few people who are researching would say that progress, slow though it is, is being made.

Actually, there is no progress being made at all.

Weather it be the RNA world model, the DNA protein model or the new hodgepodge experiment out of the UK. All failures.

Every one of the current attempts at duplicating spontaneous life in the laboratory are failing miserably. And contributing new scientists to the creation side of the picture, as the evidence mounts for the Goddidit theory.

My blog... Skip by the intro and go to the first chapter---> CLICK

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Edited December 21, 2009 by JusSumguy

[spiritman]

I went to the theatre and saw this movie. This movie brings to life the truth of how the antichirst culture is slowly silencing the Christians Culture.

This is a tribute to how the devil is groming the current culture to recieve the man of sin.