The Real 'Expelled'

[Guest shiloh357]

Are you under the impression that public school/university teachers/professors don't sign contracts containing agreements to teach to state-mandated curriculums?

Do they sign contracts that specifically forbid the teaching of intelligent design?? One can actually teach intelligent design without a Bible and without mentioning God in the classroom.

[Brockbfball1563]

There's a problem here with your case, Kem. The very first sentence accuses Stein of lying. Is there evidence for this charge?

Really not trying to be offensive so please don't see it that way, but since when do Christians ask for proof before they believe in something? Again, not trying to sound like a wise-guy or anything here, but it seems like proof for you guys only is required for everything non-religious.

[Guest shiloh357]

There's a problem here with your case, Kem. The very first sentence accuses Stein of lying. Is there evidence for this charge?

Really not trying to be offensive so please don't see it that way, but since when do Christians ask for proof before they believe in something? Again, not trying to sound like a wise-guy or anything here, but it seems like proof for you guys only is required for everything non-religious.

It's real simple Brock. She asked for evidence, no proof. Secondly, when a person makes a claim that appears to accuse someone else of lying, he/she is responsible for that assertion and that responsibility includes backing up that assertion with a source. To accuse someone of lying when it is not true amounts to slander. Asking for a source or for authority is not an unrealistic expectation. It presents no problem except for the one you are trying to manufacture.

[Brockbfball1563]

There's a problem here with your case, Kem. The very first sentence accuses Stein of lying. Is there evidence for this charge?

Really not trying to be offensive so please don't see it that way, but since when do Christians ask for proof before they believe in something? Again, not trying to sound like a wise-guy or anything here, but it seems like proof for you guys only is required for everything non-religious.

It's real simple Brock. She asked for evidence, no proof. Secondly, when a person makes a claim that appears to accuse someone else of lying, he/she is responsible for that assertion and that responsibility includes backing up that assertion with a source. To accuse someone of lying when it is not true amounts to slander. Asking for a source or for authority is not an unrealistic expectation. It presents no problem except for the one you are trying to manufacture.

Umm, I can't tell of you're being sarcastic or if you really didn't get the point.

[e lansing]

There's a problem here with your case, Kem. The very first sentence accuses Stein of lying. Is there evidence for this charge?

Really not trying to be offensive so please don't see it that way, but since when do Christians ask for proof before they believe in something? Again, not trying to sound like a wise-guy or anything here, but it seems like proof for you guys only is required for everything non-religious.

It's real simple Brock. She asked for evidence, no proof. Secondly, when a person makes a claim that appears to accuse someone else of lying, he/she is responsible for that assertion and that responsibility includes backing up that assertion with a source. To accuse someone of lying when it is not true amounts to slander. Asking for a source or for authority is not an unrealistic expectation. It presents no problem except for the one you are trying to manufacture.

Umm, I can't tell of you're being sarcastic or if you really didn't get the point.

It seems to me that as Christians that we ought to submit to the rules where ever we are and even more so in case of employment. We can still shine within any rule given. As far as implying that Christians accept a lot without any proof I would agree. However, Christianity/design stands tall when compared to evolution theroy. I think that it takes more blind faith to accept evolution theory as fact, then to accept the Bible as fact. Funny how scientist find fish fossils on top of mountains. Or how scientist cannot explain where or how all that information contained in living cells comes from or who or what design it. They acknowledge that the earth is complex as well as the universe and even humans and yet there could never be a super intelligent being who is also complex that could have design all these complex realities. The Bible teaches that this intelligent super being is reveilling Himself through all he has created. i think asking where or how all this reality came to be is a good place to start but asking why is even better.

[Sir Gareth]

if someone were to open a college that was called 'darwinist' and did not allow teachings of anything but darwinism, fine, do that. But an academy of higher learning supposedly dedicated to brining real science to the world should be open to both sides, not just one.

[wyguy]

if someone were to open a college that was called 'darwinist' and did not allow teachings of anything but darwinism, fine, do that. But an academy of higher learning supposedly dedicated to brining real science to the world should be open to both sides, not just one.

What's funny is that back in the early 20th century, it was the Darwinists that were crying fowl over only "one side" being taught (Creation) in schools, and were demanding that both sides be taught. Now that they have the majority in our educational system, they are forcing (through lawsuits) the teaching of evolution alone. It is nothing but censorship via court decree.

[Guest]

he article mentions, "Ben Stein and the producers of Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed have been busy spending millions of dollars to manufacture stories of individuals suffering personal trauma simply for accepting intelligent design". It seems pretty obvious it is referring to those individuals from the film who are claimed to have been persecuted for their advocacy of Intelligent Design.

Do you deny that academic prejudices exist against those who dare present ID principles in public universities? Do such prejudices violate freedom of expression?

And Freedom Of Scientific Investigation?

[e lansing]

And public universities tend to care deeply about what their professors teach regarding science (biology falls into that category). It seems pretty inconsistent to say that Christian colleges can do whatever they want to professors who don't teach YEC in science classes because they have "strict standards" about theology whilst moaning and groaning about public colleges who enforce their own "strict standards" about biology.

Do public colleges restrict the teaching of ID theory in science classrooms?

yes! in my experinces i have help people who have been ridicled and some have even fail the class for writting papers that have any refferences to christianity/God/design. some teachers even if they disagreed with a persons veiw chose not to make a big deal out of it. it a lot of cases its up to the teacher. if the teacher is greatly offended then problems will arise.

[e lansing]

The article mentions, "Ben Stein and the producers of Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed have been busy spending millions of dollars to manufacture stories of individuals suffering personal trauma simply for accepting intelligent design". It seems pretty obvious it is referring to those individuals from the film who are claimed to have been persecuted for their advocacy of Intelligent Design.

Do you deny that academic prejudices exist against those who dare present ID principles in public universities? Do such prejudices violate freedom of expression?

No! This is a real problem. yes it does violate our freedoms of speach and experession. I have offten wonderd why are they afraid of allowing ID to taught. It seems to me that even teaching it as a theroy would be suitable in a public setting. It seems to me that there seems to something bigger goin on here in the U.S. It seems that there are huge efforts to remove God or Christianity from the public arena. No better place to do this other then public education. It seems that this is the best way to destroy our heritage as Americans, is by destroying our understanding of the principles that make this country what it use to be. One of the main principles that has played a big role in this country that has been under attack is the acknowledgement of the Bible. Is our society any better off today without God? I can not see any area in our society where we are better off!