The place of the prophet in the new testament.

[Guest shadow2b]

-1- Thanks.  But I really don't have any guns to stick to here. Just looking for an answer with a consistent rule of interpretation

STEVE---DO NOT -INTERPRET---READ--UNDERSTAND---ACCEPT---WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO TRY TO INTERPRET SOMETHING THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN INTERPRETED BY THE AUTHOR-????---THE HOLY-SPIRIT-HAS ALREADY STATED HE HAS INTERPRETED HIS WORD FOR YOU------

-2nd Peter 1:vss.19-20-21

-We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:  Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

[Scudbuddy]

Shadow2b,

I have had many a conversation with our brothers in the Cessationist Camp over this. Ecspecially the ministers. I always ask them when they heard the call into the ministry. As soon as they acknowledge the hearing of the call, I ask them how they heard that calling. Western Telegram? Phone Call from Billy Graham? Or did the Holy Spirit lay it on your heart? And that is what we call "Prophetic!"

"My sheep hear my voice." I believe that they do, but out of theological fear, are afraid to acknowledge it. It has been my pleasure to see some of them come to the realization that God still does the stuff.

My favorite story about this is when a brother in Christ sat me down in a local coffee shop to rebuke me for my involvement with the Toronto Blessing. He went down the list of the errors in the movement. Some he might have even been right about. He was a cessationist, and this stuff wasn't allowed.

I shared with him the fruit that I had seen in my ministry since the TB movement, and he just scoffed. This man is one of the top artist in the Chicano community. His stuff has shown next to major names in Europe and Mexico City. His mind though artistic was also ruled by his UCLA training in Philosophy where he was Valedictorian. He could not fathom the idea of God moving like that. It was demonic to him. We agreed to disagree.

The next day he was ministering in the park preaching his normal sermon. 25 people gathered around him listening. But this time God showed up, and may I add, quite to his consternation. People fell down. People began to experience uncontrollable laughter. People shook uncontrollably.

Now he was faced with one of two conclusions. He was of the devil, or this was God.

"Catch the Fire" did an article on my brother about a year later right after he spoke at Toronto on God and the arts. He was swamped in the movement. His work on worship is extraordinary. And he is a laughing fool. :x:

[Jedi4Yahweh]

Shadow2b,

I have had many a conversation with our brothers in the Cessationist Camp over this. Ecspecially the ministers. I always ask them when they heard the call into the ministry. As soon as they acknowledge the hearing of the call, I ask them how they heard that calling.

[Guest shadow2b]

-So if there are miracles, healings, teachers, tongues and apostles then logic would cause us to come to the conclusion that there are prohpets also.

-heyyyyyyyyyy--CALLED----LOGIC??LOGIC??WE AINT GOTS TA SHOW YUSE NO STINKIN LOGIC!!!----

-CALLED --I FIND YOUR ASSESSMENT QUITE LOGICAL-- :hug: :hug:

[Guest shadow2b]

-Do you know people who play with snakes and drink poison? 

-WHY WHEN THE ANSWER ESCAPES THE SKEPTIC--DOES THE ABSURD-&-ASININE COME ONTO THE SCENE??---

[Guest shadow2b]

-With the completion of the Canon and unification of Jews and Gentiles in One Body many of the gifts ended. This is the testimony of the Scriptures and of history.

-STEVE ---I know you have a zeal for GOD ----But NOT according to knowledge---

-Rom.10.vss.1-2-3------

-Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God

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-Steve--I'M kiddin Bro.. --WeLLLLLL, Ratts Steve---haven't got ta argggy-fie wit yuse fer quite awhile now----WHY is that ya Reckon????

-What I'M really concerned with you about IS WHY you NEVER leave "Room for GOD--The HOLY-SPIRIT"to work--move---ITlooks like since there are NO-more WORDS--Scriptures to be added to GOD'S WORD---there is NO more ROOM FOR GOD----

-Did GOD just close off HIS-WORD & close-off his relationship--his moving--doing--

-interacting with HIS people-When the HOLY-SPIRIT wrote the very-last word in GOD'S WORD--dotted the last {I},crossed the last {T}entered the very last period----was THAT HIS sign to REmove HIMSELF from the planet??

-HOW CAN the HOLY-SPIRIT--GUIDE us into ALL TRUTH--HOW can the HOLY-SPIRIT SHOW US THINGS TO COME??

-John.16:vs.13------

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into ALL TRUTH: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come

-STEVE----Does not this scripture reveal to you that GOD--JESUS--the HOLY-SPIRIT is interacting WITH HIS PEOPLE on a "DAILY" basis??--

-WHATSOEVER things HE{the HOLY-SPIRIT} shall HEAR---That shall HE speak unto YOU---------------

-When did HE hear this??---WHAT THINGS WILL HE SHOW YOU THAT IS TO COME????

-Somethings to "Think"about Bro..ya Reckon?? :hug: :hug: :hug:

[Guest shadow2b]

-UNLESS:

There's some reasonable scriptural reason why we shouldn't.

I've asked this question to Pentecostal and Charismatic people for the past 20 years, and to date no one has even attempted to explain this for me.

Can you help?

-THE scripture states "they shall take up serpents & not be hurt{paraphrased--right}THE only example of this is where Paul got some wood for a fire a snake Jumped out bit Pasul & HE shook the snake off INTO the fire--was Paul hurt? can you find in--any of the scriptures where PAUL--Deliberately went out picked up a snake & made it bite him or let it bite him deliberately???NO YOU CAN'T!!!!--IS there ANY scripture where "Someone" deliberately drank POISON??NO THERE IS NO SCRIPTURE for that--other than JESUS STATED-IF THAT SHOULD happen HIS Disciple would NOT be hurt!!!-"That" is called FAITH--Steve--FAITH--IN-ACTION------

-I just EXPLained IT STEVE IF YOU'RE intelligent enought to ACCEPT IT!!!!

-DON'T BE ABSURD--steve- :oww: :oww: :hug: :sweating: :suspect:

-=WE USE THE ENTIRE BIBLE STEVE--you just don't want your little--scriptural-safety-zone to be invaded----you might actually have to think about the reality of GOD'S WORD----YOU might have to admit you don't actually KNOW every single thing in GOD'S WORD...........

[Guest Ayubu]

Thank you all for the insightful responses. I have read and meditated on all that has been said - I really like the objectivity, sometimes agreeing to disagree. One thing I have to say is we cannot afford to ignore the place of the gospel's relevance to our generation: meaning for it to attract the people we are sent to minister to, it will have to provide solutions to their needs. This is the reason I believe Paul said, "1Co 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power". Now this is the power of God that enables the believer to overcome his human limitations and minister life to the dieing world. In view of this I really do not have a doubt to the need and reality of the gifts of the Spirit in the Church today. I would just like to reorient this discussion to my original question by maybe rephrasing it.

"What is the difference between the prophet in the old testament from the one in the new testament and how should the saints submit to his authority?"

Thank you all once again.

[Guest shiloh357]

I would just like to reorient this discussion to my original question by maybe rephrasing it.

"What is the difference between the prophet in the old testament from the one in the new testament and how should the saints submit to his authority?"

Thank you all once again.

Prophets in the New Testament operate heavily in the gifts of prophecy (obviously), word of knowledge and word of wisdom.

Today's prophets are to be held to the same standard that Old Testament prophets were held to, namely 100% accuracy.

As far as submitting to their authority is concerned, I think it best to remind you of what Nebula said:

Well, I would guess the simple answer is:

1 John 4:1

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

1 Corinthians 14:29

Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said.

Because we have the Holy Spirit inside of us, we need to learn to recognize HIs voice and leading for ourselves. That said, He does still speak through prophets, but we need to "test" them - to be sure they are prophets of God. And we need to seek confirmation of the words of prophecy we receive.

Then when you have assurance it is of the Lord, follow through!

[stevehut]

Because we have the Holy Spirit inside of us, we need to learn to recognize HIs voice and leading for ourselves.

The above quote was attributed to nebula, although I can't seem to locate the original post.

I think you've just given me yet another reason to question the need for modern-day prophets.

Oh well, thanks guys for trying. I just might never get it.