Questions for evolutionists

[Guest man]

do you choose Christ? or do you choose the world?

The doctrine of evolution is something that comes from the world.

[MorningGlory]

The bible tells us what beliefs are mandatory to be saved. A literal 6 day creation is not one of them.

Who are we to tell someone they aren't saved???

Dangerous ground here.

When we start to say that people must have perfect theology or understanding of what scripture says, in order to be saved, we place ourselves in an authority that we have no business being in.

For we all "see in part".

I didn't mention a literal six day Creation, perfect theology or understanding of Scripture at all. I said that believing man evolved from apes or that species evolve from another species flies in the face of Scripture. If one doesn't believe the very basic truths put forth in Genesis....how can they be a Christian? A Christian is, by definition, a follower of Christ. How can one believe in random selection and the man-from-apes theory, even though the Bible tells us differently, and still claim to follow Christ? If Adam and Eve in the Garden isn't true, then there was no need for Jesus to redeem us. Denying THAT is the dangerous ground, IMO.

[~candice~]

Let's go with what the bible says and not what man would like to dream up . That goes for both evolution AND salvation.

The topic is evolution. Evolution is a lie. Would we considered good stewards of the Word if we were to look away and let those who believed in a lie to continue walking in darkness?

Evolution is a lie, I agree. And I also agree that we should guide those who believe this lie back into the truth. I merely object to saying a person is not a christian because they believe in evolution.

do you choose Christ? or do you choose the world?

The doctrine of evolution is something that comes from the world.

Agreed. It is from the world and not of the bible.

[~candice~]

The bible tells us what beliefs are mandatory to be saved. A literal 6 day creation is not one of them.

Who are we to tell someone they aren't saved???

Dangerous ground here.

When we start to say that people must have perfect theology or understanding of what scripture says, in order to be saved, we place ourselves in an authority that we have no business being in.

For we all "see in part".

I didn't mention a literal six day Creation, perfect theology or understanding of Scripture at all. I said that believing man evolved from apes or that species evolve from another species flies in the face of Scripture. If one doesn't believe the very basic truths put forth in Genesis....how can they be a Christian? A Christian is, by definition, a follower of Christ. How can one believe in random selection and the man-from-apes theory, even though the Bible tells us differently, and still claim to follow Christ? If Adam and Eve in the Garden isn't true, then there was no need for Jesus to redeem us. Denying THAT is the dangerous ground, IMO.

When the Lord got a hold of me, I had many viewpoints and opinions that were just flat out wrong. Dead wrong. Went directly against scripture. But He worked with me after I had been saved, to purge these things from me. I was saved the whole time. I believed the essentials as set out by John and by Paul in Romans, and the Lord regenerated my heart and mind from that point to bring me into line with the rest of scripture.

To be fair, you did say that a christian cannot believe in evolution, which isn't true. Christians are misguided all the time, as I just showed. Even you would wrongly believe in some things, because non of us have a perfect understanding. I bet I still get things wrong.

I'm not arguing that evolution is true. I know it isn't, I know the bible teaches against it. I know that it causes all kinds of problems with contradictions and flawed theology. It does change the theory on original sin (although interestingly enough, many christian evolutionists still believe in the sin nature and their inherent sinfulness and need for a Savior).

But it isn't a salvational issue and we shouldn't present it as such. The bible alone defines for us what makes someone a Christian, and it's not their view on evolution. Saying that would change the scriptures.