Evolution and Blood

[nebula]

you have to explain how the full system got there.

Right - which is what I never understood from evolutionists' explanations.

[Fez]

All:

Although humor from any direction is often a good way to lighten moods, it becomes a distraction when threads start out with people antagonizing each other from the start. We'll leave this thread open for now but please, if you would like to discuss such topics, refrain from personal jabs that steer the discussion toward a direction it cannot recover from.

t.

Sorry ted, I was feeling a little squirrelly when I wrote it (bad hair day), and I did not intend a personal jab at anyone in particular. But your point is well taken and I must confess I thought it might start something, sort of like evolve into something you know?

[wyguy]

All:

Although humor from any direction is often a good way to lighten moods, it becomes a distraction when threads start out with people antagonizing each other from the start. We'll leave this thread open for now but please, if you would like to discuss such topics, refrain from personal jabs that steer the discussion toward a direction it cannot recover from.

t.

Sorry ted, I was feeling a little squirrelly when I wrote it (bad hair day), and I did not intend a personal jab at anyone in particular. But your point is well taken and I must confess I thought it might start something, sort of like evolve into something you know?

From one wiseguy to another, Fez - vive la com

[nebula]

I thought it might start something, sort of like evolve into something you know?

You are just too incourageable!!

[nebula]

Well, actually what they do is find one trait and explain how they see a simple version in this life form and a bit more complex version in this bit more complex lifeform and so on.

But they don't know how to tie in the whole together. Between the two organisms were a lot more than one trait being mutated, and each mutation had to benefit the organism. Yet in the slightly more complex organism, it requires the slightly more complicated trait in order to survive. So how many mutations occured between organism A and organism B, each mutation benefiting the creatures and outcompeting the ones without each mutated trait?

[nebula]

but how did that first trait get there? when going from a one cell organism to something with traits, you have to have some way for the traits to have gotten there. But the Darwinist jump way into the future to where things are already very well formed and full of traits, without telling us how they got them in the first place

I see what you were thinking of now.

Good point!

[ted]

but how did that first trait get there? when going from a one cell organism to something with traits, you have to have some way for the traits to have gotten there. But the Darwinist jump way into the future to where things are already very well formed and full of traits, without telling us how they got them in the first place

I see what you were thinking of now.

Good point!

To be fair to that side, most Darwinists do project that they understand little of how things were at the time of birth for all living things, usually in the form of "Evolution doesn't explain how things began, but how things have developed and adapted over time" or with some variation of the statement. In other words, they usually ascribe to the study of adaptation and development in species, rather than the actual origin. There's simply not enough data collected to confirm the theories dealing with Abiogenesis (as well with evolution, in my humble opinion). Evolution and abiogenesis are simply two completely different areas of study, and you will see evolutionists make clear distinctions between the two for the most part.

The trouble, as in many areas of study out there, comes when people toss in subjective ideas which cannot be immediately proven false as fact, rather than leaving it up to interpretation. However, I've noticed that this phenomena usually isn't the fault of the ones who discover such things, but more so the media surrounding them. Just as the media is prone to do in most other areas of interest, they will take a piece of information that is delicious and spread it out to the masses. Soon, the "if's" and "could be's" and "maybe's" morph into "truth" and a new controversial argument is born.

Of course, we do find that many followers of evolution also have interest in abiogenesis, and spend their lives attempting to link the two. What is absent seems to be the Great Missing Link. Easily understood, when put in the context of some Christians who are in search of things like the Ark of the Covenant or the Holy Grail. All of it always seems to be just out of our reach.....

The concept is simple though: Find that one piece of evidence that will erase all doubt and we can sit back and feel secure that everything we have believed in is now unquestionably real. Personally, all that was settled years ago when I accepted Jesus as my Savior. However, I do still have a great interest as to how all of this ties together. I want to understand just how God created all of this we see and live with, both in natural and supernatural terms. I feel one day we will come to a complete knowledge of it all, but until that day, we will never trully understand it. It is interesting to see where our discoveries take us though

But don't jump on me lol. I'm only relating what I've observed.

Peace,

t.

Edit: The one thing I find most distressing is the hostility between the different camps. I simply don't understand how people cannot sit down and discuss such things with out the immediate reactions to deride people with opposing views. We see it every day even here at Worthy. Some people just cannot respond without first attempting to insult another in their posts. Is it truly beyond comprehension that we can talk about such things, present our sides, and have healthy discussions without reverting to damaging one's character during the process? Color me stupid, but I think it's entirely possible that people can, in fact, do it.

We just have to try