Presidential Morality???

[Kay]

Sing;

YOu have a point there; never knew those statistics

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K

[Guest LadyC]

What is perhaps most amazing to me is that people who call themselves "Christians" actually support needless and senseless killing of other human beings.

that's the only line i could stand to read of your second post... such hypocrisy! YOU would have supported hussein staying in power over there, needlessly and senselessly mass murdering, mass torturing, mass raping. yet you sneer at true christians who support the fact that this president defended our country against the threat that THE WHOLE WORLD percieved hussein to be. no president has ever gone to the extremes to keep civilian casualties on both sides of the war to an absolute minimum.

what was that comment you made? let he who is without sin cast the first stone? quit throwing boulders. one of them might just drop on your head. :oww:

[AmariYah]

O.K. so the consensus is that "we" as Americans are justified in a pre-meditated and pre-emptive attack on a sovereign country because the "end justifies the means" (maybe?) and because we arrogantly perceive that we are somehow superior to those whom we disagree with? (Even though the government and country of Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11?) Even though we in America are one of the most immoral countries in the world- with rampant abortion- homosexuality- pornography and prostitution... Yet we are qualified to bomb and kill whenever and whomever we choose because this is God's inevitable plan regardless of our own denial of God's word???? Are you saying that God has somehow elected America to be the divine police of the entire world and to tell others how they are to live and act and do business, even though we have miserably failed to take care of our own people in our own country?? And if they do not obey the demands of almighty America we will cluster bomb them into little pieces. HOW IS THIS EVER THE RIGHT THING TO DO? HOW COULD THIS EVER BE CONSTRUED AS THE ACTS OF RIGHTEOUS CHRISTIANS? (If you really feel this way then you really need some professional psychiatric help!)

If you people were not professing Christians I may be able to comprehend your war-like, arrogant "hooAhhh" attitudes... But it appears to me that you have all completely rejected the words of Jesus Christ Almighty: "love one another as I have loved you..." for the words of a self righteous dictator with a messiah complex. It appears to me that you have exchanged the truth of God for a lie!

Please wake up! pres. G.W. Bush is the puppet of Satanic rulers who are using him to establish thier plans for a one world government, a one world religion- The very same New World Order which Bush senior announced to the world. During a recent interview G.W. Bush publicly stated that the information about his affiliation with the order of Skull and Bones was too secret to discuss publicly. That really assures me that this man has the best interest of Christian Americans at heart- how does it make you feel?

In this day and age if you don't learn to look beneath the surface and read between the lines of the shallow rhetoric being spewed by the corporate run media then you will be unwitting pawns of the anti-Christ, while believing that you are the chosen insturments of God. 'Do not judge according to appearances- but judge the righteous judgement'

[AmariYah]

Incidentally, our country was not under attack by Saddam Hussien- He did not even voice any threat- and Iraq was not at all involved in the events of 9/11!!!

Why do you continue to to accept and believe as "fact" the lies of the Bush Administration? It is also a lie that the World community perceived Iraq as a threat. Many large countries had sizable business deals with Iraq. Iraq as a country had already been brought to it's knees, over 1/2 million children died as a result of the sanctions against Iraq during the past 10 years.) just as Afghanistan has been decimated even before the massive bombings upon it's innocent civilian population.

Please answer this simple question: Why should many thousands of innocent civilians be killed and maimed because of the sins and crimes of a handful of leaders- many of whom escaped? Please explain how this is Christian- please explain how this is not completely trampling on and ignoring the commandments of Christ Jesus?

Do you really believe that the Christian way to stop insane mad-men and senseless killing is to show and even greater level of murderous power using advanced weaponry to kill and maim thousands? (Of coarse when Saddam Hussien was gassing the Kurds he was our friend and we as a country looked the other way. But now that there is oil, $$$ and great power at stake we must go and "save" the Iraqi people? Why not go and "save" the North Korean people? Oh- right no oil!)

And all this apocalyptic pseudo Christian arrogance about God's will for Babylon etc...- For God's sake is it any wonder that many unbelievers consider us Christains to be completely psychotic- What a poor and pathetic witness to unbelievers- it's like saying hey it's wrong to kill babies, but it's O.K to randomly bomb women and children in foreign countries - Homosexuality is wrong but pornography and prostitution are O.K.- Enormous stockpiles of all manner of WMD including both nuclear and chemical weapons are necessary to ensure peace and freedom but you other countries don't even think of having any of these kinds of weapons or we will bomb the crap out of you! Now having said this we approach these same peoples and try and convince them to convert to our religion. Do you honestly think that we will have any credibility left- I am asking in all seriousness- if you thought that this kind of double-mindedness and hypocrisy was in any way associated with Christianity- would you really want to convert? Please be honest here- (Keep in mind that I am not a liberal or a Democrat- and that I am a Bible believeing, born again Christain beleiver washed in the blood of the Lamb.)

[ted]

IdolSmasher II ?

(Sorry)

Neb, that was exactally what I was thinking too!

I had just about forgot about my "battles" with him, too.

Too funny!

I gotta admit, though, we had non-war talks too and he is one of the most down to earth guys I've talked with here. Great guy! He and I reminded me of OneAccord and I. Sort of the dog and coyote cartoons beating each other up and then punching the time clock at the end.

OneAccord and 'Smash, I love you two, where ever you are tonight!

God Bless!

t.

[Guest shadow2b]

-funny, that's not at all what the 9/11 commission concluded from all reports that i've heard and read!

i hate to tell you this, but you're in the minority on this board regarding your opinion of the war on terrorism. ya might want to take cover.

-MY GOD GIRL HAVE YOU READ ALL THE WITNESSES THEY DID-NOT INTERVIEW?

-WOULD NOT REVIEW ESSENTIAL PHYSICAL EVIDENCE???

-THIS IS DELIBERATELLY STICKING YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND & REFUSING TO

-EVEN CONSIDER THAT A LOT OF THINGS DO NOT ADD UP-

-THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE--THERE IS OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE OF FBI AGENTS INTIMIDATING EYE WITNESS ACCOUNTS OF 911--FBI AGENTS THREATENED WITNESSES WITH PROSECUTION IF THEY GAVE ANY INFORMATION IN CONFLICT WITH THE O-FFICIAL DETERMINATION OF THE EVENTS OF 911---THEY WERE TOLD TO SHUT UP--OR ELSE----THIS WAS ON A TV SPECIAL OF EYEWITNESSES & SURVIVORS--SWEARING THEY WERE THREATENED BY FBI AGENTS

[Guest shadow2b]

-just so you know there are people here who do appreciate your contribution but many are afraid to speak up. While I don't agree with you 100% I applaud you for taking a stand for your beliefs and not backing down.

-RIVER----YOU MEEN SOME ON THESE BOARDS ARE ASKEERT TA SPEEKUP??

-ASKEERT TA VOICE THEIR O-PINION-IN SUPPORT OF AMANYAH-& HIS O-PINION?

-WOwwwwwwww-- SURELY YOU JEST SUH??

-SURELY YOU KNOW THIS IS THE LAND OF THE FREE--THE HOME OF THE BRAVE??-

[Guest shadow2b]

-OneAccord and 'Smash, I love you two, where ever you are tonight!

God Bless!

-ARE YOU LONESOME TONIGHT??LAY YORE HEAD ON MY PILLOW SO THAT I CAN SLEEP ON IT TOO?{huhh?he's gonna sleep on her haid on his piller?}

-THey have gone down the RIVER of NO Return-

[Guest shadow2b]

- And if they do not obey the demands of almighty America we will cluster bomb them insto little piece. HOW IS THIS EVER THE RIGHT THING TO DO? HOW COULD THIS EVER BE CONSTRUED AS THE ACTS OF RIGHTEOUS CHRISTIANS? (If you really feel this way then you really need some professional psychiatric help!)

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-NO ONE THET KEERT----whewwwww--WITH NO-ONE TA HELP--THIS--PO--PO--LOST--UNDONE LONELY--MISGUIDED-MIXED UP--aSKEERT PO LILL-OLE FELLER--

-BUYT NOW I FYND WHooooopie THAYS FINALLY SOMEONE TA HELP ME OUTTA THYS PO---MIXED UP--MISGUIDED LONELY -LILL-OLE-FELLER--whewwwww--NOWE I GITS TA HAVE ONE UFF THEMZ PSY-A-KEY--A-TRISSts fallers to straighten ouyt mah PO-lonely--mixed-up-misguided EXIs--tense- ---

-ahhhhhh--yes----I Reckon good-ole-buddah sended thys psy--key--a-tress ta hepp me ouytta thys lonely-mixedup--misguided--exis-t-ense--yupp-guud-ole-buddah dunn weynt & hepped me hisseff--whoopppeee-yaaaaaa-

[pretzelperson]

What is perhaps most amazing to me is that people who call themselves "Christians" actually support needless and senseless killing of other human beings. Didn't any of you ever read Ex. 20? And what about Jesus' words, "he who is without sin should cast the first stone."

First of all anyone who actually believes that Saddam Hussien or Iraq was ever a threat to the great United States of America, you have been utterly brain-washed! All of the might of Saddam and the country of Iraq was far less than even 1 single ant to a mighty dinosaur of the U.S of A. To pretend that they were ever a threat to us is absolutly ludicrous and nonsensical.

Second, Iraq never even threatened the United States- they were not a threat in any way- Nor was Iraq any real threat to our allies particularly after the many sanctions imposed upon them. Gee, I wonder why we wnt to Iraq instead of North Korea? (North Korea is a threat and does have WMD!)

And finally, since when is a morally bankrupt country who has more WMD than any of the next 5-6 countires put together- and who has not shown restraint in using them against other human beings/ SINCE WHEN ARE WE THE RIGHTEOUS MORAL POLICE OF THE WORLD? Honestly what gives us the right to tell other people what to do and how to live?

Unless you believe as Pres. Bush does that Might is Right!

It is truly heartbreaking to see believers who have been so decieved as to believe that there is some kind of virtue in massacreing other people- particularly when we make the assumption that somehow "God is on our side".

New's flash- America is not a very moral country- Nor are we really a Christain country. And to pretend that we are somehow morally superior or perhaps more civilized than other countries is a supreme arrogance and gross hypocrisy.

If we are truly Christains here then we must first repent from our own sins before we go casting stones at other countries... and the same goes for the Bush Administration- they must first come clean on all of the lies and decption of the American people and the world community before they can presume to go and "save" the world from "terrorism". Honestly what is the Bush Admin's definition of "terrorism" anyway?

It seems like when I enter one of these discussions it always gets shut down.

I understand your opinion. I disagree.

I find the fact that you feel it is with in your liberty and that you have taken it upon yourself to judge the quality my "christianity" reprehensible.

I find your comments, language and even the syntax you use to convey your ideas to be some of the most offencive and venemous I have ever encountered. It seems as though you are unable to simply disagree with an idea that is contrary to your own. You must condesend and attack in an attempt to destroy the nature and characture of the person with whom you disagree. I guarentee you will never change a mind to think like you by exercising these methods of persuasion.

You writing conveys that you think you are the smartest, most eductated and most informed individual here and eveybody else is missguided, misinformed and ignorant if they draw conclusions that are divergent from yours. Maybe some people possess basic common respect (I may not be one of these people) and choose to not take you to task--not your ideas but you, not unlike you do to many of the individuals here.