Israel is Israel?

[Guest shiloh357]

What if I cannot trace my roots? So it all comes down to whoever has Jewish blood has this "unique calling"? That would not include a lot, the majority, of Christians today.

Let me tell you something. Everyone wants to be a Jew until they see the price Jews have had to pay for being Jews. It is not something that makes anyone more special or favored or more spiritual.

If it ever becomes unpopular or even illegal to be Jewish again, if (may it never happen) another holocaust were to occur, all of the "I'm a spiritual Jew" folks will sing a different tune. Trust me. It's not all that it's cracked up to be.

[~Shalhevet~]

Perhaps my confusion would better be explained by saying I was raised Missouri Synod Lutheran. There has never been any mention of this in any of my studies there. There are no discussions about Israel. I've been reading a bit about RT online and am beginning to think this is what my church believes. But I'm not sure. I have been taught nothing about Jewish people other than they were among those who crucified Jesus. This is all very new to me.

[Guest shiloh357]

Perhaps my confusion would better be explained by saying I was raised Missouri Synod Lutheran. There has never been any mention of this in any of my studies there. There are no discussions about Israel. I've been reading a bit about RT online and am beginning to think this is what my church believes. But I'm not sure. I have been taught nothing about Jewish people other than they were among those who crucified Jesus. This is all very new to me.

I can imagine.

Two places you should go on the web: Zola Levitt Ministries and Bridges for Peace. Zola Levitt ministries is heavily pro-Israel, conservative, Messianic. Bridges for Peace is a Christian/Messianic humanitarian organization in Jerusalem and they have a lot of material on Israel as well.

[~Shalhevet~]

I can imagine.

Two places you should go on the web: Zola Levitt Ministries and Bridges for Peace. Zola Levitt ministries is heavily pro-Israel, conservative, Messianic. Bridges for Peace is a Christian/Messianic humanitarian organization in Jerusalem and they have a lot of material on Israel as well.

Please don't quote me on saying that the Missouri Synod is for RT. I'm not certain but I can probably safely assume, as there is no talk about Israel. Would it be wrong for me to continue with this church if that is, indeed, what they believe?

I'm not certain what I believe with regard to RT. As you can see, I was taught a certain way and am just now seeking the truth for myself after all these years being hidden within a church and spoon fed.

I have also been raised in a somewhat anti-semitic environment. Not hating the Jews, but not thinking very highly of them either. So you can imagine the shock on my face when you wrote that the Jewish people were "unique" to God. Don't misunderstand me, I do not hate Jews. I just obviously have some issues to resolve with regard to my personal view of them due to the "food" ingested from that old spoon.

What exactly are the promises given to Israel may I ask?

[~Shalhevet~]

So you can imagine the shock on my face when you wrote that the Jewish people were "unique" to God.

But aren

[Guest shiloh357]

Please don't quote me on saying that the Missouri Synod is for RT. I'm not certain but I can probably safely assume, as there is no talk about Israel. Would it be wrong for me to continue with this church if that is, indeed, what they believe?

That is between you and the Lord. I am not going to jump on the MO Synod as RT. Don't worry about that.

I'm not certain what I believe with regard to RT. As you can see, I was taught a certain way and am just now seeking the truth for myself after all these years being hidden within a church and spoon fed.

I understand.

I have also been raised in a somewhat anti-semitic environment. Not hating the Jews, but not thinking very highly of them either.

Yeah, I am very familiar with that environment where I live, so I understand your situation.

So you can imagine the shock on my face when you wrote that the Jewish people were "unique" to God.

I did not say that the Jewish people were unique to God. I said they have unique calling. Completely different. God has no favorites.

Don't misunderstand me, I do not hate Jews. I just obviously have some issues to resolve with regard to my personal view of them due to the "food" ingested from that old spoon.

It will take some time to renew your mind in this area and change some old, inaccurate ideas and replace them with the truth.

What exactly are the promises given to Israel may I ask?

Well this is not exhaustive as I am short on time:

1. He has promised them that they will be his nation forever (Jer. 31: 35-36)

2. He promised them a Messiah (Jesus)

3. He promised them a Land (Gen. 15)

4. He promised to restore them to their land from the four corners of the earth (Ez. 36, 37, Jer. 31, Amos 9:14-15) We are seeing that in our day.

5. He promised that those who bless Israel will be blessed and those that curse Israel will be cursed (Gen. 12:3) That same promise was extended both to Isaac later in Genesis, and then to the twelve tribes in Numbers.

Those are just a few of the promises.

[Guest shiloh357]

So you can imagine the shock on my face when you wrote that the Jewish people were "unique" to God.

But aren

[Smalcald]

Perhaps my confusion would better be explained by saying I was raised Missouri Synod Lutheran. There has never been any mention of this in any of my studies there. There are no discussions about Israel. I've been reading a bit about RT online and am beginning to think this is what my church believes. But I'm not sure. I have been taught nothing about Jewish people other than they were among those who crucified Jesus. This is all very new to me.

I can imagine.

Two places you should go on the web: Zola Levitt Ministries and Bridges for Peace. Zola Levitt ministries is heavily pro-Israel, conservative, Messianic. Bridges for Peace is a Christian/Messianic humanitarian organization in Jerusalem and they have a lot of material on Israel as well.

Also you need to see what the LCMS is already doing. It is true this area has been ignored by many congregations but not all, and we do not totally subscribe to what is referred to as replacement theology.

http://www.lije.org/speaking.htm

[~Shalhevet~]

No, you misunderstood me.

Not again. I'm sorry.

[~Shalhevet~]

Also you need to see what the LCMS is already doing. It is true this area has been ignored by many congregations but not all, and we do not totally subscribe to what is referred to as replacement theology.

http://www.lije.org/speaking.htm

Do you know what the LCMS's stance is on Replacement Theology? I cannot find anything online. I see your link is to an outreach of some sort. But it doesn't say anything specifically about RT. Or maybe I'm missing something.