Temple of God

[e lansing]

Jesus said to watch for the abomination that causes desolation and was a referrence to Daniel 9:24. It said that this abomination would happen in the holy place. This holy place is it man made or not? Does god live in temples that man made today?

God has never "lived" in a Temple. And btw, ALL of the temples that have existed in the Land of Israel were "man-made."

When the Bible claims that God does not live temples made by man, the point being made is that he is not like the gods of the pagans who were said to live in those temples. It was a statement made to show that the God of the Bible was far greater than any of the pagan gods. The pagans had no point of reference for an all-powerful God who was omnipresent (everywhere at once).

God, is omnipresent, and so cannot be confined to a single location. He cannot be contained in a temple.

Agreed! so whats make that holy place holy as it says "standing in the holy place"

[e lansing]

This is an excellent question. Funny because this was in my Bible study last night. I googled "abomination of desolation" because I didn't know what it meant (I haven't read Daniel yet). From what I read on google (bad source I know), it means that the anti-christ will come from the holy place. That holy place could be Israel?? I don't know.

When you et a chance read the passages from Daniel. You will see that ti says that the "prine to come" will be of the same nation of those who came and destroyed the last temple. Romans, so he will come from the new Roman empire and put a peace treaty that may bring peace to the middle east, but 3 and a half years into this 7 year teaty he will break this treaty by committing this abomination. This is a nut shell for end time thought.

[Rick-Parker]

Perhaps you should read the Book of Revelation.

care to explain what u understand from revelation?

I didn't ask the question.

[e lansing]

Perhaps you should read the Book of Revelation.

so why say this?

[Rick-Parker]

Perhaps you should read the Book of Revelation.

so why say this?

The main reason is because I get frustrated that people would rather ask others for answers to their theological questions than to do the reading themselves, which allows the Holy Spirit to work in their lives and teach them what the Scriptures are all about and the message that they have.

But.....just to answer the question about reading Revelation:

In Revelation 13 is a graphic portrayal of the abomination of desolation. We meet the Antichrist, who is described in verse 1 as the beast. Verse 5 says, "There was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and power was given to him to continue forty and two months." Forty two months equals 1260 days, or three and a half years. Once again, as in Daniel, we see the Antichrist will flourish during the second half of the tribulation. At the midpoint of the tribulation, he starts to blaspheme God: "He opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven" (v.6).

Not only does the Antichrist blaspheme God, but verse 7 tells us that he also attacks the saints: "It was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them; and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues and nations." Then in verse 8 we read of the abomination of desolation: "All that dwell upon the earth shall worship him." The Antichrist will set up an image of himself as the object of worldwide worship (v. 15). Verses 11-15 describe the work of the false prophet, who does great signs and wonders, and brings the world to worship the image of the Antichrist.

edit: he does this in the Temple that the Jews build when they resume the sacrificial system.

Reference

Edited January 19, 2010 by Parker1

[e lansing]

Perhaps you should read the Book of Revelation.

so why say this?

The main reason is because I get frustrated that people would rather ask others for answers to their theological questions than to do the reading themselves, which allows the Holy Spirit to work in their lives and teach them what the Scriptures are all about and the message that they have.

But.....just to answer the question about reading Revelation:

In Revelation 13 is a graphic portrayal of the abomination of desolation. We meet the Antichrist, who is described in verse 1 as the beast. Verse 5 says, "There was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and power was given to him to continue forty and two months." Forty two months equals 1260 days, or three and a half years. Once again, as in Daniel, we see the Antichrist will flourish during the second half of the tribulation. At the midpoint of the tribulation, he starts to blaspheme God: "He opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven" (v.6).

Not only does the Antichrist blaspheme God, but verse 7 tells us that he also attacks the saints: "It was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them; and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues and nations." Then in verse 8 we read of the abomination of desolation: "All that dwell upon the earth shall worship him." The Antichrist will set up an image of himself as the object of worldwide worship (v. 15). Verses 11-15 describe the work of the false prophet, who does great signs and wonders, and brings the world to worship the image of the Antichrist.

edit: he does this in the Temple that the Jews build when they resume the sacrificial system.

Reference

Parker, i have read revelation, however, in order to committ this abomination wouldn't this have to be a Holy place? There are crazys all over the place who call them selves god and things that are blasphumas and yet they live to see the next day.

What does God consider holy today? FRom what i understand there is a movement to build this new temple, but it suppose to be open to all faiths including islam, so again what does God consider holy? If the Jewish people rejected Jesus then, and still reject Him today and they build a new temple, would God consider it holy? This place where this abomination happens would have to be holy to God for God for it to offend to that degree, would it not?

[nebula]

The main reason is because I get frustrated that people would rather ask others for answers to their theological questions than to do the reading themselves, which allows the Holy Spirit to work in their lives and teach them what the Scriptures are all about and the message that they have.

Actaully, I do believe e lansing asked to open a discussion for which (s)he(?) already has an answer - asking a question to open a discussion is a teaching tool.

[e lansing]

The main reason is because I get frustrated that people would rather ask others for answers to their theological questions than to do the reading themselves, which allows the Holy Spirit to work in their lives and teach them what the Scriptures are all about and the message that they have.

Actaully, I do believe e lansing asked to open a discussion for which (s)he(?) already has an answer - asking a question to open a discussion is a teaching tool.

Indeed, however, the question still stands? what is this holy place in Matthew 24:15? What would God consider holy today? Does God dewll in temples made by man or not? I believe not! but what say you?

[nebula]

Indeed, however, the question still stands? what is this holy place in Matthew 24:15? What would God consider holy today? Does God dewll in temples made by man or not? I believe not! but what say you?

Matthew 24:15 NKJ

"Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand),

Daniel 11:31 - And forces shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation.

Prophecy is tricky to translate.

To the original readers, the only "sanctuary" was the Temple. So it could be another Temple will be built, as we know that Israel is working on plans for such.

But we know that we the Body of Christ are the Temple of God, so it could be referring to the "Church".

As far as I am concerned, either could be a possibility.

And there is the possibility that the abomination is the Dome of the Rock . . . if you think about it.

[e lansing]

Indeed, however, the question still stands? what is this holy place in Matthew 24:15? What would God consider holy today? Does God dewll in temples made by man or not? I believe not! but what say you?

Matthew 24:15 NKJ

"Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand),

Daniel 11:31 - And forces shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation.

Prophecy is tricky to translate.

To the original readers, the only "sanctuary" was the Temple. So it could be another Temple will be built, as we know that Israel is working on plans for such.

But we know that we the Body of Christ are the Temple of God, so it could be referring to the "Church".

As far as I am concerned, either could be a possibility.

And there is the possibility that the abomination is the Dome of the Rock . . . if you think about it.

If we the body of Christ are temples of God, why would Jesus tell us to look out for this event? I think that if they build a temple it would not be important to God because they still continue to reject Jesus. I know that this will change but not until this ulgy event happens. As Christians should we be looking for this event to happen in a man made temple or in the temple God made? [body of Christ]