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Dear Brother We Do Know The Most Wonderful Thing About The Time Before The Creation The World

Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Job 38:4-7

We Know Our God Was Thinking Of You And Of Me And Of Whosoever Will

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Ephesians 1:4

And Of The Joy Of Our Salvation

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. Hebrews 12;2

The Love Of Messiah

And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. Ephesians 3:19

The Holy Ghost

And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. Romans 5:5

And Daddy

And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Galatians 4:6

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Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. Psalms 42:1

Love, Your Brother Joe

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Haz.

I asked this before but it got lost in the mix...

In this verse...

Genesis 8:1

But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the waters receded.

and this one...

Exodus 2:24

God heard their groaning and he remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac and with Jacob.

We are told that God "remembered" something. Do you take the same approach to these two passages as you do the body ones and put forth that God had actually forgotten about Noah on the ark and his promise with Abraham, with Isaac and with Jacob?

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Are any of these Scriptures untrue?

Haz.

In John 4:24, Jesus tells us this...God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship (A)in spirit and truth

or even if you insist on the KJV of the verse...God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth

in Luke 24, Jesus tells us what it means to be (a) spirit...

Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. (KJV)

See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have." (NASB).

Did Jesus tell us an untruth in either of these passages? If we go by your view of God, then yes, Jesus was either mistaken or a liar, and I dont think you would want to agree with either of those.

In 2 Chronicles 2:6, we are told...

But who is able to build him an house, seeing the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain him? who am I then, that I should build him an house, save only to burn sacrifice before him? (KJV)

But who is able to build a house for Him, for the heavens and the highest heavens cannot contain Him? So who am I, that I should build a house for Him, except to burn incense before Him?(NASB)

Is the writer of Chronicles wrong? based on your view of God, he is.

Going by the view of most people who read both the passages you have given and these passages, there is no contridiction or error, as there is with your view.

Jesus had and still has a body only as the first of the first fruits He now has a glorified flesh and bone body as we shall have.

Jesus was raised by the Father, who was in fact in Heaven as Jesus stated 18 times in Scripture, and Jesus now has a glorified flesh and bone "BODY" as we shall have when we are raised as He was. "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? (1 Cor. 15:51-55).

Jesus said Himself, Spirit hath not "FLESH AND BONE AS YE SEE ME HAVE???????

He never said Spirit has not body? He said Spirit is not flesh and bone. As have said many times, the difference between a spirit being and a flesh and bone being is substance. Nothing more. Scriptures plainly and clearly teach that God has a spirit body, with a face, hands, mouth , tongue, loins, back parts, feet, hands, hair, a head, and all the atributes that men have who were created in GODS IMAGE AND LIKENESS!

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Jesus said Himself, Spirit hath not "FLESH AND BONE AS YE SEE ME HAVE???????

He never said Spirit has not body? He said Spirit is not flesh and bone

This amounts to nothing but parsing over words. Jesus point was that He had a body. That He was not a disembodied spirit.

The idea that God has a body is something that you are inferring from Scripture and not upon any actual statements. You are approaching the Bible from a hyper-literal, face-value perspective and it is causing you to misread and misunderstand what passages referencing God's eyes, ears, mouth, hand, etc. are really referencing.

In each of those passages God is using a physical human attribute to describe something God is doing. He is communicating His nature and operations in human, physical terms with which we have a common point of reference. Nowhere does the Bible offer an actual description of what God looks like. In fact, the children of Israel were told not to make an image on the basis that they were not shown an image of God when He descended on Mt. Sinai.

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As have said many times, the difference between a spirit being and a flesh and bone being is substance. Nothing more. Scriptures plainly and clearly teach that God has a spirit body, with a face, hands, mouth , tongue, loins, back parts, feet, hands, hair, a head, and all the atributes that men have who were created in GODS IMAGE AND LIKENESS

Man was created in God's moral likeness, not a physical likeness. The Bible never says that God has hands or feet or hair just like man's. The Bible never says that God looks like we do.

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The scriptures never spell out exactly what is involved in Human beings being made in the likeness of God. Those who hold that it includes a body do have an issue. Both males and females were created in God's image. If both are created in God's image, what does this say about God's sexuality?

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Jesus said Himself, Spirit hath not "FLESH AND BONE AS YE SEE ME HAVE???????

He never said Spirit has not body? He said Spirit is not flesh and bone

This amounts to nothing but parsing over words. Jesus point was that He had a body. That He was not a disembodied spirit.

The idea that God has a body is something that you are inferring from Scripture and not upon any actual statements. You are approaching the Bible from a hyper-literal, face-value perspective and it is causing you to misread and misunderstand what passages referencing God's eyes, ears, mouth, hand, etc. are really referencing.

In each of those passages God is using a physical human attribute to describe something God is doing. He is communicating His nature and operations in human, physical terms with which we have a common point of reference. Nowhere does the Bible offer an actual description of what God looks like. In fact, the children of Israel were told not to make an image on the basis that they were not shown an image of God when He descended on Mt. Sinai.

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As have said many times, the difference between a spirit being and a flesh and bone being is substance. Nothing more. Scriptures plainly and clearly teach that God has a spirit body, with a face, hands, mouth , tongue, loins, back parts, feet, hands, hair, a head, and all the atributes that men have who were created in GODS IMAGE AND LIKENESS

Man was created in God's moral likeness, not a physical likeness. The Bible never says that God has hands or feet or hair just like man's. The Bible never says that God looks like we do.

Jesus after ascending to His Father appeared to His disciples in a room whith the dorrs shut. "

Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the LORD." (John 20:19-20).

No one even suggested Christ was a disembodied spirit? Christ was a Spirit being with a Spirit body as the Word, before being made flesh in John 1:14, " And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." (John 1:14).

Christ, after being resurrected by the Father was able to pass trough the wall's in HIS NOW GLORIFIED FLESH AND BONE BODY. That wasn't too hard to work out?

"The idea that God has a body is something that you are inferring from Scripture and not upon any actual statements. You are approaching the Bible from a hyper-literal, face-value perspective and it is causing you to misread and misunderstand what passages referencing God's eyes, ears, mouth, hand, etc. are really referencing."
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Yeh, right. All I can say is you refuse to believe what you read. "And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen." (Ex. 33:23). God took away His pretend hand so that Moses could see Gods referenced back parts?

Haz.

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Jesus said Himself, Spirit hath not "FLESH AND BONE AS YE SEE ME HAVE???????

He never said Spirit has not body? He said Spirit is not flesh and bone

This amounts to nothing but parsing over words. Jesus point was that He had a body. That He was not a disembodied spirit.

The idea that God has a body is something that you are inferring from Scripture and not upon any actual statements. You are approaching the Bible from a hyper-literal, face-value perspective and it is causing you to misread and misunderstand what passages referencing God's eyes, ears, mouth, hand, etc. are really referencing.

In each of those passages God is using a physical human attribute to describe something God is doing. He is communicating His nature and operations in human, physical terms with which we have a common point of reference. Nowhere does the Bible offer an actual description of what God looks like. In fact, the children of Israel were told not to make an image on the basis that they were not shown an image of God when He descended on Mt. Sinai.

.

As have said many times, the difference between a spirit being and a flesh and bone being is substance. Nothing more. Scriptures plainly and clearly teach that God has a spirit body, with a face, hands, mouth , tongue, loins, back parts, feet, hands, hair, a head, and all the atributes that men have who were created in GODS IMAGE AND LIKENESS

Man was created in God's moral likeness, not a physical likeness. The Bible never says that God has hands or feet or hair just like man's. The Bible never says that God looks like we do.

You also deny plain Scripture The Bible and God Himself says God has a heart,

"And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart." (Gen. 6:6), Where did it grieve God?

Here God again mentions His heart and mans? "And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done." (Gen. 8:21).

Look the rest up yourself? God has hands and fingers, or did He write on the stone tablest with a marker pen? (Exod. 31:18; Psalms 8:3-6; Rev. 5:1, 6-7); Nostrils (Ps. 18:8); mouth (Num. 12:8); lips and a toung (Isa. 30:27; feet (Ezek. 1:27; Exodus 24:10); eyes, eyelids, sight (Ps. 11:4; 18:24; 33:18); voice (Ps. 29; Rev. 10:3-4; Gen. 1); breath (Gen. 2:70; ears (Ps. 18:6); head, hair, face, arms (Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-19; Rev. 5:1; loins (Ezek. 1:26:28; 8:1-4); bodily presence (Gen. 3:8; 18:1-22; Job 1:6-12; 2:1-7; Exodus 24:10-11);

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Jesus after ascending to His Father appeared to His disciples in a room whith the dorrs shut. "

Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the LORD." (John 20:19-20).

No one even suggested Christ was a disembodied spirit?

Right but Jesus was proving to them and to us that He rose from the dead bodily, which was the point He was making I did not assign anything to you about Jesus being a disembodied spirit.

Christ was a Spirit being with a Spirit body as the Word, before being made flesh in John 1:14, " And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." (John 1:14).

Christ, after being resurrected by the Father was able to pass trough the wall's in HIS NOW GLORIFIED FLESH AND BONE BODY. That wasn't too hard to work out?

Again, YOU are inferring that Jesus had a "spirit body." The Bible does not say that. You are still penciling things into the Bible that it does not say. Jesus had a flesh and bone body. That implies it was physical, and a "spirit body."

Yeh, right. All I can say is you refuse to believe what you read.
Wrong. I don't read it the way you do. You seem to be operating from the notion that if I do not take from the Scriptures what you take from them, that I am ignoring or denying them altogether, which is not true. I do not agree with the hyper-literal approach you are taking to the text.

"And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen." (Ex. 33:23). God took away His pretend hand so that Moses could see Gods referenced back parts?
All it means is that Moses was able to see a muted form of God's Glory. It is not meant to be understood that God as a "backside" or a literal hand.

You also deny plain Scripture The Bible and God Himself says God has a heart,
No I do not. Now you are assigning values to me, which is a very bad form of argumentation. You are putting the lie in my mouth and then trying to refute it. Please stop trying to refute arguments I have not raised.

"And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart." (Gen. 6:6), Where did it grieve God?
What did I say that you think this refutes?

Here God again mentions His heart and mans? "And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done." (Gen. 8:21).

Look the rest up yourself? God has hands and fingers, or did He write on the stone tablest with a marker pen? (Exod. 31:18; Psalms 8:3-6; Rev. 5:1, 6-7); Nostrils (Ps. 18:8); mouth (Num. 12:8); lips and a toung (Isa. 30:27; feet (Ezek. 1:27; Exodus 24:10); eyes, eyelids, sight (Ps. 11:4; 18:24; 33:18); voice (Ps. 29; Rev. 10:3-4; Gen. 1); breath (Gen. 2:70; ears (Ps. 18:6); head, hair, face, arms (Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-19; Rev. 5:1; loins (Ezek. 1:26:28; 8:1-4); bodily presence (Gen. 3:8; 18:1-22; Job 1:6-12; 2:1-7; Exodus 24:10-11);

These are all anthropromorphisms and they are being utilized by God to describe his actions and nature. They are not being offered as a description of His being. You are trying to insert as doctrine, something that the Bible just doesn't teach.
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Haz.

I asked this before but it got lost in the mix...

In this verse...

Genesis 8:1

But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the waters receded.

and this one...

Exodus 2:24

God heard their groaning and he remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac and with Jacob.

We are told that God "remembered" something. Do you take the same approach to these two passages as you do the body ones and put forth that God had actually forgotten about Noah on the ark and his promise with Abraham, with Isaac and with Jacob?

?

thanks for that well thought out reply.

did God forget about Noah? Was God so busy that he just forgot that the last 8 humans alive were floating on an ark?

Did God forget about his promise with Abraham, with Isaac and with Jacob in the way that you and I forget about picking up a loaf of bread while we are at the store?

It seems a simple question, why cant you answer it?

You are now clutching at straws because your questions have nothing to do with the Godhead. God has a mind as is clearly shown in Scripture. Believe it or not He thinks. There is much going on in the universe and therefore in God's mind. Whats wrong with God saying He remembered something. I posted earlier, which you seem to have ignored or forgotten yourself that certain events did not come into God's mind. I'm not going over all that again.

You also simply refuse to believe what you read in the Bible.

The Bible, God's plan for man in Scripture is very simple to understand. No man has any excuse for misunderstanding it. Jesus constantly invited andprovoked study of the Scriptures, and even rebuked men for their LACKOF KNOWLEDGE OF REVEALED THRUTH. He attributed all error to a lack of knowledge of the Bible. He answered His critics by saying "Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptiures nor the power of God' (Matt.22:29). He commanded men to "Search the Scriptures; for in them ye THINK ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me" (John 5:39).

After more than three years of the most simple teaching by the greatest of all teachers, the disciples had to be rebuked for their UNBELIEF and HARDNESS OF HEART. This was not because they could not understand, but because they did not believe what Christ said. He said to them, "Oh fools, and slow of heart to believe." Even after Christhad appeared and manifested Himself to them in various ways, they still refused to believe until He "upbraided them for their unbelief and hardness of heart" (Matt. 16"13-14). The words Christ spoke were always simple enough to understand, but to believe them was another thing.

Paul also taught that hearing the word of God was sufficient to cause one to believe. He said, "How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed?

Nearly ninety times in the New testament alone, anappeal is made to readers TO BELIEVE what "IS WRITTEN," as if everything was simple enough to understand if men wantedto understand and believe. In fact not once in either Testament did any speaker or writer leave the impression, that anything God said was hard to understand,if men would simply believe what God Himself had said. The only hint of any misunderstanding on the part of anyone is in connection with those who did not want to believe and obey the gospel.

Jesus taught that is was only because of the wilfulness of men not to believe that it was hard to understand. In other words, some do not want to understand. Those who do can understand without exception (Matt. 13:9-17). Peter speaks of the :unlearned and unstable" wresting the Scriptures to their own destruction (2 Peter 3:16-18). However, no person belongs to this class if he will amke up his mind TO BELIEVE and OBEY what is WRITTEN, instead of rebelling against it.

Pride, wilfulness, and rebellion against "WHAT IS WRITTEN" are the causes of the Bible being hard to understand. The hard part thenis not understanding with the mind, but in being willing to obey what one does not want to obey. if one could not understand the truth, he could not reject it.

There are over 130 declarations of God revealing that He is God, and the only true God, in Ps. 93:9-11; Isa. 40:12-31; 41:3-29; 43:13:21; 44:6-8; 45:12-22; and 3,808 times such expressions as "Thus sayeth the Lord," and "The Lord spake" and shows Himself tho be the author of the Bible. God's many personal acts of manifestations on various occasions as recorded in Scripture, also prove His existence and person (Gen. 1:1-2:25; 3:1-25; 11:1-9; Lev. 10:24; 2 Sam. 22:8-16; Job 38:1-40:24; Ps. 18:7-20; 78:12-16, 23-29, 43:66 etc.). The Godhead consists of three separate and distinct Persons. This fact is simply stated in Scripture: "For there are THREE that bare record IN HEAVEN, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these THREE are ONE.

Haz.

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. . . God has a mind as is clearly shown in Scripture. Believe it or not He thinks. . . .

I feel this is another gross simplification of yours assigning a mere "mind" to the all knowing God.

. . . There is much going on in the universe and therefore in God's mind. Whats wrong with God saying He remembered something. I posted earlier, which you seem to have ignored or forgotten yourself that certain events did not come into God's mind. I'm not going over all that again.

What is wrong is you believe in a God who is not aware of everything and therefore your God cannot be trusted. At best all your God's statements are based upon limited awareness and knowledge of things and therefore somethings which allude His awareness can make the certainty of His words questionable.

With the God you present scriptures need a disclaimer from God saying "As far as I know . . ."

My God is not only bigger than yours . . . He's smarter too.

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