Scientific Predictions of the Christian Positions on Origins

[spiritman]

it is also possible that the legends of dragons is a reference to dinosuars.

Indeed being instructed by someone who doesn't know the Bible all the way through is like no instruction at all.

I have always questioned the possible link between dinosaurs and the fabled 'dragons'. These stories appear in many cultures and are very similar. Who's to say that ALL dinosaurs went extinct 65,000,000 years ago? Only God knows for sure.

Hi MG,

I plan on doing some research on the stories of men or women in centuries past to see if any details of the dragons in the stories are simluar to that of Dinosaurs.

Here is an interesting link of Saint George of the Roman catholic church who is said to have slain a dragon, to save a town and a princess.

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Saint_George

[kuhugaboots]

"People DO believe in both."

don't you mean people try too believe both ? but people built a golden alter at his feet because they wanted a tame God..and a god who created all with a word or two isn't tame! you can't put a bit in his mouth!

you can't serve two masters!

one says death created the world !

one says LIFE did?

One is a liar !

[spiritman]

Hi D-9,

Thank you for your response, Just curious can you summerize how you interpet the six days in Genesis?

Sure. First off, I don't think Genesis makes any scientific claims. The main purpose of the creation story is to establish that God is the creator and sustainer of all; we do not need to make sacrifices or worship any other god or spirit to make the Sun rise, or make it rain to grow crops etc. and the Creator proclaims that the creation is "good". In addition, we can glean off many moral laws (Noahide Laws) from the creation story.

As to the days themselves, while the word used, "yom", is literally translated as an 'indeterminate period of time'. I think the context and usage makes it clear that it is talking about six days. Not six long periods of time as proposed by the gap-theory. However, I don't believe God was trying to give us a history or science book, so the events and days mentioned are not meant to be parallel to the actual events of Earth's history. And of course, the number of days are significant as it is the basis for the Sabbath.

Hello D-9

Thanks for your response, sorry it has been a while, I have started my work week, and my replies may be a bit spotty. My position on the 6 days in Genesis, and why I believe this to be true is as follows.

Just like in the English laugage, the Hebrew has words in it, that can be the same word but have a different meaning according to the context of the sentence for example: The word Run; My wife has a run in her stockings. Or Lets put on our jogging shoes and go for a run.

Obviously we wouldn't use the meaning of the tear in a stocking when refering to a jog, or we wouldn't use a jog when refering to the tear in a stocking.

Let's take for example Genesis 1:5 it reads;

God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.Gen 1:5 (NASB)

A lot of people get hooked up on the word Yom, which is fine, Yom can mean either a long period of time or it can mean a literal 24 hour period just like you pointed out. However in all of the Genesis context next to the hebrew word yom we have a number day one, day two day three ect ect, and also the terms evening and morning are used.

The words for Evening and morning in the hebrew are : Evening: ‏עֶרֶב—Transliteration: ʿereb—This word is from another word in the Hebrew : ‏עָרַב—Transliteration: ʿārab: which means : to grow dusky at sundown :- be darkened, (toward) evening.

The word Morning in the Hebrew is the word: בֹּקֶר—the Transliteration is : bōqer—properly dawn (as the break of day); generally morning :- (+) day, early, morning, morrow.

BTW for anyone who is new at this the Transliteration just means that the Hebrew word is translated into english.

So we have to look at the evidence, and we see that yom has two different possible meanings in the book of Genesis, However the context around the word Yom and the fact that Yom is surrounded by a number and the terms Evening and Morning in the English or ereb, and boqer in the transliteration means that there is no possible logic to coming up with the long period of time theory. So as you pointed out when the defintion in Hebrew is foggy because of the fact that there are more then one definition just look to the context of the words around the word.

[spiritman]

Spiritman,

Yes, I agree with everything you said. The usage and context of yom makes it clear it is talking about a single day, or a 24 hour day in our culture. I think the usage of sunrise and sunset makes it a very clear as you pointed out.

While I don't think it is direct evidence, the fact that these days are used as a template for the 6 days of work 1 day of rest (Sabbath) for the Hebrews, I do think it further supports the notion that these are literal 24 hour days.

Hi D-9,

Thanks for your reply, I agree with you the 6 days of work model is a good example of further proof, that the six days in Genesis are a literal 24 hour period.

There is a joke I often quote to the Gap theorists when they tell me that each day represents long periods of time, in fact I use the 6 day work week.

I usually ask them, what did the israelites do , work 6,000 years and take 1,000 off for a day of rest?

[MorningGlory]

MG, technically birds are dinosaurs, so we see them all the time.

I've read that for years and yet....that would involve speciation. No such thing has ever ocurred.

[MorningGlory]

Woah, okay. Speciation has been observed so many times it is considered a scientific fact (and so is evolution, fyi). I think it would be more productive to talk about what speciation is, and make sure we are on the same page, before we continue. So MG, what do you mean when you say "speciation"?

Evolution above the species level. One species evolving into another. I have read a lot about evolution theory and understand what the term means.

[Guest]

Some Day Soon

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. John 5:28-29

All Will Hear

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....Also, what do you make of the link I provided that talked about various species speciating into another species? What do you define as a species?....

Well

In the beginning God.... Genesis 1:1(a)

A Man Is A Man

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Genesis 2:7

And A Rat Is A Rat

And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:24-25

And A Finch Is A Finch

And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. Genesis 1:21-22

And The Sabbath Is The Sabbath

But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20:19-11

And Really It Is Still Just About The Power Of The LORD Jesus Christ

But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 1 Corinthians 15:20:22

And About Him Crucified

Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Romans 3:24-26

And Not About The Cartoon Science Of Evolution

O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: 1 Timothy 6:20

Nor About The Vain Babblings Of Mankind's Philosophical Illusions

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Colossians 2:8

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Believe

The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:35-36

And Be Blessed Beloved

Love, Joe

[spiritman]

D-9ner,

thanks for the discussion, As usual, nothings changed, The Evolutionary theories are still full of speculation, and guessing games. I've enjoyed our convo.

see ya on the boards.

Spiritman

[wyguy]

Is it just me, or is D-9 just Lurker in disguise?

[Fez]

Is it just me, or is D-9 just Lurker in disguise?

Maybe, or maybe Lurker has evolved