Insights would be good...

[nebula]

True, but try picturing this from their perspective. We have hindsight, they did not. At this point they were barely coming to understand what "Messiah" really was. Sure they'd seen Him heal and some may have seen the water to wine miracle, but do you truly believe they were thinking, "The Son of God is in the boat with us"? If you were them, would you have been regarding Him as "the Son of God" at this point?

I don't think I would have.

No they wouldn't have - but they knew He wasn't "normal" because they woke Him up -

did they wake Him up for physical help or supernatural help or simply "annoyed" that He was still asleep during the storm?

To be honest, I do not know what they were thinking He could or would do . . . beyond being another pair of hands.

Or even if they thought He might do "some" miracle to save them, it's quite clear they were not expecting . . . THAT!

Today, we still have problems with trust in Him during wild seasons and going from the verse in Matthew, lack of trust isn't a good thing.

I wonder if the faith they should have had during the storm was -

If this is the Messiah of God, then God won't allow Him to die in this storm, and to keep Him saved we all need to be kept safe.

**Note, I'm not denying the commentators claims about how they should have had faith, I just disagree with the claims that the disciples should have been thinking, "This is the Son of God." For I don't believe they were quite there yet in their understanding. If anything, I see this miracle as being one of the steps towards their eyes being opened to this.**

Yeah, like ~andy~ said. I just read her post.

He rebuked the elements and their lack of faith. Three things happened in the boat - one was a miracle.

Sorry, I'm missing your train of thought. What was the third?

Edited March 7, 2010 by nebula

[nebula]

I dunno about you guys, but I find it easier to trust in the middle of a storm, then I do when life is smooth sailing. During those smooth sailing times, it's so much easier to rely on my own strength. In the storm... God has stripped away all my own works, my own strength, my own solutions and left me with nothing to rely on but Himself.

I think Jesus knew it was going to storm before He took the disciples out there. It was a way of showing them how foolish it is to trust in man, show them the amazing awesome power of God, and that we can access that power through faith.

Do you think Peter would have walked on water if it were just a puddle of water in a ditch?

Actually, Peter walking on the water was a different storm.

But I think I see what you are saying. It takes us having to come to the end of ourselves and see the Lord bring us through to learn to trust in Him.

[Guest HIS girl]

'nebula'

Or even if they thought He might do "some" miracle to save them, it's quite clear they were not expecting . . . THAT!

I reckon!

**Note, I'm not denying the commentators claims about how they should have had faith, I just disagree with the claims that the disciples should have been thinking, "This is the Son of God." For I don't believe they were quite there yet in their understanding. If anything, I see this miracle as being one of the steps towards their eyes being opened to this.**

The Son of God was my insert......

HIS girl

He rebuked the elements and their lack of faith. Three things happened in the boat - one was a miracle.

Neb

Sorry, I'm missing your train of thought. What was the third?

My words again here - 1st was Jesus ticking disciples bout lack of faith

2nd rebuke of the elements

3rd elements obeying Jesus's commands - calm

There is probably a "boat load" of others I have overlooked but these 3 stood out to me -

[nebula]

**Note, I'm not denying the commentators claims about how they should have had faith, I just disagree with the claims that the disciples should have been thinking, "This is the Son of God." For I don't believe they were quite there yet in their understanding. If anything, I see this miracle as being one of the steps towards their eyes being opened to this.**

The Son of God was my insert......

Sorry, your insert was not the first time I had heard this.

[Guest HIS girl]

**Note, I'm not denying the commentators claims about how they should have had faith, I just disagree with the claims that the disciples should have been thinking, "This is the Son of God." For I don't believe they were quite there yet in their understanding. If anything, I see this miracle as being one of the steps towards their eyes being opened to this.**

The Son of God was my insert......

Sorry, your insert was not the first time I had heard this.

Yeah I see what you're saying - good point though.

[nebula]

[Guest HIS girl]

You know, just thinking of all the times in the Bible where it showed folks with lack of trust -

One major one that comes to mind is when the Israelites were in the wilderness...after having witnessed the Mighty Hand of God in His dealings with the Egyptians - (superpower of the day)...

I can understand the anger/annoyance of the Lord - we worry and are frightened but yet He who made all things and is in our future (Believers), is in control - if we just allow Him and trust Him. That is all He asks and yet we fail again and again - me being one of them....

[7thseal]

We came to the conclusion that Jesus was not happy with the disciples lack of faith because, 1. fear is the opposite of faith and 2. the "storm" was survivable - because of His presence was with them.

Not just this but what he had already spoken before sailing out.

Matthew 8:18 Now when Jesus saw great multitudes about him, he gave commandment to depart unto the other side.

And when one disiciple questioned him about letting him go bury his father first, Jesus responded with.

Matthew 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

They started out following...

Matthew 8:23 And when he was entered into a ship, his disciples followed him.

After Jesus had already commanded them to take him to the other side and speaking about following him, the first thing he heard from them when he was awaken was...

Matthew 8:25 And his disciples came to him, and awoke him, saying, Lord, save us: we perish.

They really didn't grasp any of the words which Jesus had just spoken to them, I think this was one of the reasons why he was not happy after being woke up.

[Guest HIS girl]

We came to the conclusion that Jesus was not happy with the disciples lack of faith because, 1. fear is the opposite of faith and 2. the "storm" was survivable - because of His presence was with them.

Not just this but what he had already spoken before sailing out.

Matthew 8:18 Now when Jesus saw great multitudes about him, he gave commandment to depart unto the other side.

And when one disiciple questioned him about letting him go bury his father first, Jesus responded with.

Matthew 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

They started out following...

Matthew 8:23 And when he was entered into a ship, his disciples followed him.

After Jesus had already commanded them to take him to the other side and speaking about following him, the first thing he heard from them when he was awaken was...

Matthew 8:25 And his disciples came to him, and awoke him, saying, Lord, save us: we perish.

They really didn't grasp any of the words which Jesus had just spoken to them, I think this was one of the reasons why he was not happy after being woke up.

Yes - He had every right to not have been happy with the disciples.

[nebula]

And then I have to wonder if I'm doing any better....