Who is my "brother" in Christ?

[eis]

i have no clue what you are talking about. I have never been to a church that I consider cultish. you must have me mistaken with another.

Then I direct you to this post by you.Your Post

Odd, I don’t see where I called them cultish nor where I hurled insults, be it vehemently or not.

As for the joke, I heard it from an elder at my Church of Christ. As for their view of the Old Testament, well it is common knowledge.

I was baptized at a CoC, I was a lay preacher and might have gone on to more if not for an adultrous wife and a period of rebellion on my part.

I dont think the CoC is a cult, there are parts of it that are, the "Boston Movement" for one, but all in all, nope.

You really should work on your reading comprehension, both in post, and in the Bible.

Is it your nature to be mean & harsh?

Edited March 24, 2010 by eis

[nebula]

So I am taking it that no one discussed the mikvs from which "baptism" came from?

[OneLight]

Hebrews 13:8

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

God never changed salvation, man has.

[nebula]

So I am taking it that no one discussed the mikvs from which "baptism" came from?

perhaps you should start a new thread for that, I would enjoy it

But is it not relevant to the argument over baptism being necessary for salvation?

[nebula]

yes and no. but this thread is supposed to be about who is a "brother", and whether having different views makes one not a brother or not.

seems it your discussion would get lost in the fray!

Well, what I saws indicates that the "different views" had to do with what determines salvation.

[Guest shiloh357]

yes and no. but this thread is supposed to be about who is a "brother", and whether having different views makes one not a brother or not.

seems it your discussion would get lost in the fray!

Well, what I saws indicates that the "different views" had to do with what determines salvation.

You might want to check out the OP. eis started this thread on the notion that if we don't accept baptism as necessary for salvation, that we are not Christians. He stated that the Bible teaches that not all who believe on Jesus will be saved. So, you have to either get saved the way he says, or you are not saved.

That is why his view is cultic.

[Rick-Parker]

No, it came on Cornelius before.

so then, Cornelius was another exception to the rules. This view of yours requires a lot of exceptions to the rules. Don

[Rick-Parker]

That is sloppy exegesis. Anyone can cherry pick certain verses and string them together like lights on a Christmas tree and make the Bible say whatever they want it to say. That is one tell-tale way of spotting false doctrine. It is never based on a treatise or solid teaching from Scripture is based on grabbing individual verses, ignoring their immediate context and subjectively applying them to issues they were not meant to address.

That demonstrates nothing but a very cultic handling of Scripture.

It is cultic to read and study the bible and look at the bigger picture?

You are not looking at any picture beyond what your cult wants you to see and frankly both you and eis are horrible in terms of exegesis and have no business telling anyone anything about the Bible.

I don't know there, friend, you are the one who sounds "cultic". Maybe my hermeneutic doesn't match yours, but it appears that it is much more correct.

You are so far off base. But, you are entitled to your delusions. You are entitled to your work based salvation. I'll see you in heaven, since I am saved by faith only, and baptized in obedience. I just don't have to stress about being good enough or maintaining my salvation as you say you have to. Must be Catholic.

[Guest shiloh357]

The trouble is that you (and others) return to the idea that grace is a gift that requires absolutely no action on the part of the receiver.

That is not true. In fact, it is just the opposite:

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

(Titus 2:11-14)

In the above passage from Titus, Paul tells us that grace teaches us four things:

1. to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts;

2. to live soberly, righteously and godly in this world;

3. to live in expectation of the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ;

4. Our redemption in Christ was accomplished with view to purifying us to Himself as a peculiar (special) people zealous for good works.

Grace is the expectation of righteous, godly living. Obedience, according to Titus 2:11, is the result of salvation, not the means of its attainment. The grace that saves us is the grace that also keeps us and empowers us to live for godly lives for Christ. Grace does not diminish the need for obedience; far from it. Grace promotes obedience but it is the polar opposite of

[eis]

So, you have to either get saved the way he says, or you are not saved.

Unless you get saved the way the Bible says then you are not saved.