Who is my "brother" in Christ?

[Floatingaxe]

So one can be saved and not repent?

Once again, one cannot be saved without ever coming to the point of repentance, or changing direction. The cross is our crossroad. It is godly sorrow that God is looking for. A well-known preacher teaches that we can even come to salvation based on our faith, but without the repentance that comes either before or after that point, the salvation is not authentic.

2 Corinthians 7:10

For the kind of sorrow God wants us to experience leads us away from sin and results in salvation. There’s no regret for that kind of sorrow. But worldly sorrow, which lacks repentance, results in spiritual death.

[eis]

So people go to hell immediately when they die and are in a waiting chamber until the great judgement?

I don't understand the sense in that.

Wouldn't we all die and remain in the grave, then when Jesus comes, the dead in Christ shall rise first and then those who are alive in Christ will be caught up together with them in the air?

Then, after that, well I don't know what happens. I think then God's army will defeat the enemy, a new heaven and a new earth will be created.

And while those who believe in Christ will live Eternal life, the ones who rejected Him will have teeth nashing, fire burning them for all Eternity.

Right?

I mean, obviously that day will be more glorious than I can ever describe.

No, because Jesus portrayed hell as a place of suffering for those who die in unrighteousness per the rich man and Lazarus. When you die, you step out into eternity and you will either be with the Lord, or you will spend eternity separated from Him.

JamiLea, that's not what the Lord was implying at all in that account. The poor man was not in heaven. The rich man was in Hades. shiloh357 is not correct.

[eis]

So one can be saved and not repent?

Once again, one cannot be saved without ever coming to the point of repentance, or changing direction. The cross is the crossroad. It is godly sorrow that God is looking for. A well-known preacher teaches that we can even come to salvation based on our faith, but without the repentance that comes either before or after that point, the salvation is not authentic.

2 Corinthians 7:10

For the kind of sorrow God wants us to experience leads us away from sin and results in salvation. There

[Floatingaxe]

So one can be saved and not repent?

Once again, one cannot be saved without ever coming to the point of repentance, or changing direction. The cross is the crossroad. It is godly sorrow that God is looking for. A well-known preacher teaches that we can even come to salvation based on our faith, but without the repentance that comes either before or after that point, the salvation is not authentic.

2 Corinthians 7:10

For the kind of sorrow God wants us to experience leads us away from sin and results in salvation. There

[Guest shiloh357]

So people go to hell immediately when they die and are in a waiting chamber until the great judgement?

I don't understand the sense in that.

Wouldn't we all die and remain in the grave, then when Jesus comes, the dead in Christ shall rise first and then those who are alive in Christ will be caught up together with them in the air?

Then, after that, well I don't know what happens. I think then God's army will defeat the enemy, a new heaven and a new earth will be created.

And while those who believe in Christ will live Eternal life, the ones who rejected Him will have teeth nashing, fire burning them for all Eternity.

Right?

I mean, obviously that day will be more glorious than I can ever describe.

No, because Jesus portrayed hell as a place of suffering for those who die in unrighteousness per the rich man and Lazarus. When you die, you step out into eternity and you will either be with the Lord, or you will spend eternity separated from Him.

JamiLea, that's not what the Lord was implying at all in that account. The poor man was not in heaven. The rich man was in Hades. shiloh357 is not correct.

I did not say that Lazaras was in heaven. I was addressing the notion that our spirits remain in the grave until the resurrection. Hades was divided into two compartments, Abraham's bosom and hell. The rich man was suffering in hell.

[Floatingaxe]

All are sinners and come short of the glory of God. The age of acountibility is 20 years old.

Scripture, please!

[EricH]

All are sinners and come short of the glory of God. The age of acountibility is 20 years old.

Scripture, please!

For the first part of the statement, Romans 3:23 would fit the bill. I have no idea about the 20 year age of accuntability statement and where that could be found in scripture

[Guest shiloh357]

Shiloh, who are the "dead in Christ" and who are the "alive in Christ" referred to in Scripture?

Since you know my style, I would like to place emphasis on the fact that I hope I am asking questions in a less argumentative way than before?

Christians are both dead in Christ and alive in Christ both now and in eternity. We are dead in Christ to sin, but alive in Christ in that we have eternal life. We die "in Christ" when we leave this world and enter into eternity. We will always be alive in Him. He is eternal life.

[Guest shiloh357]

That does not answer my question. Let me put it another way hmmm.

In Scripture, it says

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (King James Version)

16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

That refers to every Christian who has physically died prior to Christ's return. They will rise first and their resurrected bodies will be joined with their spirits which were in heaven with Jesus until His return.

17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

We will follow them, and our bodies will changed in the twinkling of an eye.

This Scripture does not line up with your answer at all. Maybe I should've posted it in my original question so you knew what I was referencing, sorry.

That's okay. it would have helped to know what you were referencing. However, my answer was accurate nonetheless. You ARE dead in Christ at this moment and you are alive in Christ, as well.

I don't find anywhere in Scripture where it states we go directly to Heaven when we die so I'm confused. Also, when Jesus says "You will be with me in paradise", he does not specify whether it's now or when He returns.

Jesus said to the thief, "I tell you the truth; today you shall be with me in Paradise." Jesus told the thief exactly when it would happen. Seondly, in Jesus' parable of the rich man and Lazarus, they did not remain in their graves till the resurrection. One went to Abraham's bosom and the other went to hell.

[eis]

You ARE dead in Christ at this moment and you are alive in Christ, as well.

I don't find anywhere in Scripture where it states we go directly to Heaven when we die so I'm confused. Also, when Jesus says "You will be with me in paradise", he does not specify whether it's now or when He returns.

Jesus said to the thief, "I tell you the truth; today you shall be with me in Paradise." Jesus told the thief exactly when it would happen. Seondly, in Jesus' parable of the rich man and Lazarus, they did not remain in their graves till the resurrection. One went to Abraham's bosom and the other went to hell.

JamiLea,

Actually you are DEAD to SIN and ALIVE in CHRIST. Also, Jesus is at the right hand of God, so you would have to be in heaven to be with Jesus. The judgment hasn't happen yet so, guess what....