Why Must the Church Come to Accept Evolution?

[MorningGlory]

hello,

The scriptures are spiritually discerned, And a fool says in his heart there is no God, Evolutionists believe in what they see, Christians believe in things not seen as if they are. My reality is not in the past, but in my future.

Besides if the scriptures are spiritually discerned then the truth about life has already been revealed to the ones who has been given the faith to see it.

In Christ

Mulling

[Rick-Parker]

Here's "just a thought" Lurker. Nobody here gives a rip about your religion of evolution. And I, for one, am sick of you doing nothing but pushing it. I doubt you have, or will ever, bring a true believer in God's Word over to your humanistic, demonic, heritical evolutionary point of view.

Now, Christian Lurker - why don't you go wash your sheep's clothing. It's starting to stink.

Come on, wyguy, let's pray for Lurker instead of yelling at him. I know how frustrating this never ending evolution thumping gets but....Lurker is just deceived and he needs help, not anger.

But it is true; said without anger but with a lack of patience for the teaching of false"doctrine" by a self proclaimed Christian.

Yes, it IS true; but we should try to bring him to the Lord if we can. I've been praying for Lurker for quite a while now.

I'm sure we all pray for him. But you can't bring someone to the Lord when they think that they are already there. Eventually, one has to turn that person over to the Holy Spirit to allow Him to do His work, and we shake the dust off our feet. How long are we to allow false doctrine to be spread in the House of Truth?

[Fez]

Here's "just a thought" Lurker. Nobody here gives a rip about your religion of evolution. And I, for one, am sick of you doing nothing but pushing it. I doubt you have, or will ever, bring a true believer in God's Word over to your humanistic, demonic, heritical evolutionary point of view.

Now, Christian Lurker - why don't you go wash your sheep's clothing. It's starting to stink.

Come on, wyguy, let's pray for Lurker instead of yelling at him. I know how frustrating this never ending evolution thumping gets but....Lurker is just deceived and he needs help, not anger.

But it is true; said without anger but with a lack of patience for the teaching of false"doctrine" by a self proclaimed Christian.

Yes, it IS true; but we should try to bring him to the Lord if we can. I've been praying for Lurker for quite a while now.

I'm sure we all pray for him. But you can't bring someone to the Lord when they think that they are already there. Eventually, one has to turn that person over to the Holy Spirit to allow Him to do His work, and we shake the dust off our feet. How long are we to allow false doctrine to be spread in the House of Truth?

Amen, this has gone on long enough.....

[MorningGlory]

Here's "just a thought" Lurker. Nobody here gives a rip about your religion of evolution. And I, for one, am sick of you doing nothing but pushing it. I doubt you have, or will ever, bring a true believer in God's Word over to your humanistic, demonic, heritical evolutionary point of view.

Now, Christian Lurker - why don't you go wash your sheep's clothing. It's starting to stink.

Come on, wyguy, let's pray for Lurker instead of yelling at him. I know how frustrating this never ending evolution thumping gets but....Lurker is just deceived and he needs help, not anger.

But it is true; said without anger but with a lack of patience for the teaching of false"doctrine" by a self proclaimed Christian.

Yes, it IS true; but we should try to bring him to the Lord if we can. I've been praying for Lurker for quite a while now.

I'm sure we all pray for him. But you can't bring someone to the Lord when they think that they are already there. Eventually, one has to turn that person over to the Holy Spirit to allow Him to do His work, and we shake the dust off our feet. How long are we to allow false doctrine to be spread in the House of Truth?

It's true, none of us can MAKE someone see.....but tossing them aside isn't giving it our all either.

[Rick-Parker]

Here's "just a thought" Lurker. Nobody here gives a rip about your religion of evolution. And I, for one, am sick of you doing nothing but pushing it. I doubt you have, or will ever, bring a true believer in God's Word over to your humanistic, demonic, heritical evolutionary point of view.

Now, Christian Lurker - why don't you go wash your sheep's clothing. It's starting to stink.

Come on, wyguy, let's pray for Lurker instead of yelling at him. I know how frustrating this never ending evolution thumping gets but....Lurker is just deceived and he needs help, not anger.

But it is true; said without anger but with a lack of patience for the teaching of false"doctrine" by a self proclaimed Christian.

Yes, it IS true; but we should try to bring him to the Lord if we can. I've been praying for Lurker for quite a while now.

I'm sure we all pray for him. But you can't bring someone to the Lord when they think that they are already there. Eventually, one has to turn that person over to the Holy Spirit to allow Him to do His work, and we shake the dust off our feet. How long are we to allow false doctrine to be spread in the House of Truth?

It's true, none of us can MAKE someone see.....but tossing them aside isn't giving it our all either.

God's Word and Christ's words tell us that if people refuse to hear the truth, that we are to leave them to their fate. Matthew 10:11-15 "Now whatever city or town you enter, inquire who in it is worthy, and stay there till you go out. And when you go into a household, greet it. If the household is worthy, let your peace come upon it. But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet. Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city! These verses apply to individuals just as well as cities and towns.

[ollkiller]

Here's "just a thought" Lurker. Nobody here gives a rip about your religion of evolution.

Eh i do not that it matters. It's not a religion either. In my eyes.

And I, for one, am sick of you doing nothing but pushing it.

This is a forum. It's in the faith vs science section. Some will be on side of evolution some on the side of christianity. Some are on both sides. I don't agree with a lot of christians viewpoints but i'm not sick of them. It's a debate. If every opinion was the same there would be nothing to talk about.

I doubt you have, or will ever, bring a true believer in God's Word over to your humanistic, demonic, heritical evolutionary point of view.

I'd like to know how i'm demonic for believing in evolution before i reply.

[Fez]

Here's "just a thought" Lurker. Nobody here gives a rip about your religion of evolution.

Eh i do not that it matters. It's not a religion either. In my eyes.

And I, for one, am sick of you doing nothing but pushing it.

This is a forum. It's in the faith vs science section. Some will be on side of evolution some on the side of christianity. Some are on both sides. I don't agree with a lot of christians viewpoints but i'm not sick of them. It's a debate. If every opinion was the same there would be nothing to talk about.

I doubt you have, or will ever, bring a true believer in God's Word over to your humanistic, demonic, heritical evolutionary point of view.

I'd like to know how i'm demonic for believing in evolution before i reply.

The reply was aimed at Lurker, not you, I suggest you go back and read all the posts on these boards where Lurker has posted first. Also Lurker professes to be a Christian and an evolutionist type, and you cannot be both and accept the Lord Jesus Christ and His Word.

And no, I am not going to get into that debate with you, it has been debated to death on these boards, the answer you may seek is there somewhere

[MorningGlory]

God's Word and Christ's words tell us that if people refuse to hear the truth, that we are to leave them to their fate. Matthew 10:11-15 "Now whatever city or town you enter, inquire who in it is worthy, and stay there till you go out. And when you go into a household, greet it. If the household is worthy, let your peace come upon it. But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet. Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city! These verses apply to individuals just as well as cities and towns.

Okay, I concede the point; I don't argue with Scripture. I still hate the thought of just giving up though.

[MorningGlory]

The reply was aimed at Lurker, not you, I suggest you go back and read all the posts on these boards where Lurker has posted first. Also Lurker professes to be a Christian and an evolutionist type, and you cannot be both and accept the Lord Jesus Christ and His Word.

Meh, don't pay much mind to such doctrinal pronouncements on salvation killer. Unfortunately having beliefs challenged seems to have pushed a lot of folks around here to extremes like claiming one can't acknowledge the reality of biology (and, presumably, physics) while at the same time acknowledging the reality of God. As for why it's important for the Church to come to accept modern science I'll refer, again, to Bernard Ramm:

". . .the idea of creation is a rather complex idea. Evangelicals were not always aware of the great deal of thought put into this matter by Augustine and Aquinas. As a result evangelicals posed the problems of modern science as resolving down to: (i) fiat, instantaneous creationism; or (ii) atheistic developmentalism. This is certainly a gross over-simplification, not a genuine probing, of the entire concept of creation. By putting the question this way, every bit of developmentalism in science made the evangelical position that much more difficult of defense. Evangelicals, by putting such a premium on discontinuity, had no recourse but to fight any continuity in any of the sciences as if it were the devil himself. With no real philosophy of creation, evangelicals defended a position that violently contradicted the findings of science. Evangelicals of today who fail to see these problems in their larger dimensions are but perpetuating the losing strategy of their brethren who lost the battle in the previous century.

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he result of losing the battle of the Bible and science in the nineteenth century is simply and tragically this: Physics, astronomy, chemistry, zoology, botany, geology, psychology, medicine and the rest of the sciences are taught in ignoration of Biblical statements and Christian perspectives, and with no interest in the Biblical data on the sciences, and no confidence in what the Bible might even say about the same. Evangelical Christianity is obtaining a measure of success in education, in evangelism, in missions, in journalism and publications, in church expansion, but in the field of science evangelicalism is apparently the lost cause (2). For all practical purposes science is developed and controlled by men who do not believe in the scientific credibility of Holy Writ. Evangelicals in science are considered by scientists as anachronisms or unnecessary perpetuations of the medieval mentality into the modern period.

"The detrimental influence of this on Christianity is beyond any possible calculation. To enumerate the resultant influence on the Christian church is heartbreaking. First to be mentioned is the revolt within the church itself in the nineteenth century in which thousands of ministers forsook an evangelical theology under the pressure of radical criticism and scientific allegations against the Bible. The principle of the uniformity of Nature became the first axiom in all theology and Biblical criticism. All miracles and all supernatural activity of God had to go under this royal principle. Evolutionary biology and uniformitarian geology made serious inroads on theology.

Next to be mentioned are the numerous intelligent and gifted young men who could have served the church with distinction but who live and work outside the church in the belief that Holy Scripture is scientifically untrustworthy.

Thousands of splendid, trained, capable men now lost to secularism could have provided the church with an imposing array of scholars in every department of learning and provided for a stronger ministry and a more intelligent laity. Today these talented people in education, business, and professions using their talents and energies for these tasks leave a crippled and weakened church in their aftermath.

Finally, the influence on the masses is a great imponderable quantity. The spirit of the times is such as to make evangelical headway difficult. It is the popular belief that the Bible and science are at odds, that intelligence is on the side of unbelief, and that only childish or sentimental or uneducated people still trust the contents of the Bible. No longer do people respond to Scripture because it is the voice of God, but armed with the belief that science has broken the credibility of Scripture they cynically ask how we know the Bible is God's voice. Apart from those circles in which the church exerts its influence early in life it is very difficult for Christianity to get a sympathetic hearing."

I certainly don't agree with Ramm on everything, but here he makes some excellent points.

Lurker

So why post this here? No one is buying anything you post, never have and (IMO) never will. What's the point of your continuing (and absolutely useless) assault on the Bible?

[Guest]

.... I'd like to know how i'm demonic for believing in evolution before i reply ....

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Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.

Psalms 1:1-4

Say They See They See

Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;

1 Corinthians 3:18-21

Yet They Strut About

Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

Hebrews 3:12

Blind In Their

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

2 Corinthians 4:3-4

Conceit

Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

Isaiah 29:16

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Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

Revelation 3:17-18

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As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Revelation 3:19-20

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Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

John 11:25-26

And Be Blessed Beloved

And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

Revelation 22:3-4

Love, Joe