Women speaking in church

[deut31:12]

When Paul was speaking about propriety in church in 1 Corinthians he said "let your women be silent in churches".

Was Paul referring to the before mentioned tongues issue or any speech?

1Co 14:27-35 MKJV

(27) If one speaks in a language, let it be by two, or at the most three, and in succession. And let one interpret.

(28) But if there is no interpreter, let him be silent in a church; and let him speak to himself and to God.

(29) And if there are two or three prophets, let them speak, and let the others judge.

(30) If a revelation is revealed to another sitting by, let the first be silent.

(31) For you may all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all may be comforted.

(32) And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

(33) For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

(34) Let your women be silent in the churches; for it is not permitted to them to speak, but to be in subjection, as the Law also says.

(35) And if they desire to learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home; for it is a shame for a woman to speak in a church.

I have also read this order was made to stop the pagan practice of women priestesses in Delphi(speaking in oracles) being infiltrated into the Corinthian church.

Anyone confirm what 1Corinthians 14:34 actually means?

A lot of times what people forget is that God set a lot of laws, statutes, boundaries, order, etc. in the scriptures for us to follow and try to interpret, follow, apply, etc. the scriptures with "political correctness" or how they themselves view and/or understand things.

God set this up -

Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you. But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 1 Corinthians 11:2-3

Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 1 Timothy 2:11-13

This is speaking expressly of during the time of worship, unless they are dealing with their children or yelling "fire!!". This is the only time that we are commanded to meet. So, women are not to be preachers nor to preside over anything that has to do with the worship services. Now, there is nothing wrong with women teachers. Where I go there are some powerful women teachers that are very knowledgeable and sound in the gospel. They are a great support to the men and also teach women's classes and children's classes. The last time one of our evangelists came up here to visit I counseled with his wife over a matter.

This isn't being chauvinistic, but is the order of things in which God laid them out to be. Remember, it is not up to us to question them, but to follow them.

The ways of today's generation has distorted many ways of looking and applying the scriptures. We can't change the application of the scriptures with the changing of times. Jesus said that they law will not pass away, but so many people want to view and apply the scriptures with "today's thinking" and claiming, "It's the 21 century" and times change.

[humbleseeker]

Well things to change. I dont believe the law changes but then again Paul was writing a letter of his opinion, and how he conducts things in churches.

[deut31:12]

Well things to change. I dont believe the law changes but then again Paul was writing a letter of his opinion, and how he conducts things in churches.

Using, "things change" is very detrimental to the ways in which God intended for man to follow and obey the gospel. When we read the New Testament we are to keep this mindset -

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Timothy 3:15-17

God would not have allowed Paul to write things to be included in the bible if he had not intended them to be a part of the thinking structure as defined in the these verses. Everything that we read is inspired by God to be profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. Even if it is Paul's opinion, it is still inspired by God and in the scriptures for a reason that is basically an instruction in how to be righteous before God.

How the Apostles conducted themselves in the churches is written for an example for us to follow in how we are supposed to conduct ourselves in our churches.

[humbleseeker]

I agree, Its a interesting discussion Woman are not second class citizens. I have been uplifted greatly by woman speaking in church. Maybe the interpretation of the meanings that paul writes is a little grey, and could very well be based on the society that was lived in. We know that every word in the bible is not law. At least I dont think so.

[exrockstar]

I agree, Its a interesting discussion Woman are not second class citizens.

you shouldnt look at it as such. both genders are being tested. the woman is asked to

be a "helper" and the man is asked to "come forth."

women are now stepping forth because the men are too busy playing XBOX (or not growing up).

[humbleseeker]

Your right rockstar Men need to step up. I am convicted of that myself. Although I dont play Xbox I turn 30 today and probably put in a hour on my PS3

[warnerfranklin]

It is my understanding that at the time that Paul wrote "women to be silent" it was common practice to have a section of the church for women and another for men. The command to be quiet was for the woman to wait until after the service to ask her husband a question instead of shouting across the room to her mate. Which, given the cultural reference, makes sense.

[Openly Curious]

To me it is all about submission to our head those in whom has authority over us. It is Christ that is the head of the church the church is made up with believers being husband and wives and youth and small children. God is not the author of confusion but a God of order. Now if you never know the proper order how in the world can one submit to it?

Order is: God the Father, Christ is in submission Father, Man under submission to Christ head of church, women under man authority, and children are under both husband and wife authority.

When go to church "All" are to come under Christ authority Men, Women and children and this is the order God has chosen and we are to serve in order place God put us in. There is "NO" shame in either place we are in and it is not a war between men and women because Christ is the head of us all.

When one go to prophesy, weather man or woman all are to do it in God order and that order is for all to be under authority that was put in Word to follow so be no confusion.

Look and see what these scriptue do say,1 Corinthians 14:27-28 - If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at most by three, and that by "course;" and let one interpret. But if there be no interpreter, "let "HIM keep Silence in the Church; and let "him" speak to himself, and to God.

This scripture tell instruction how to do when prophesy for God and if they was to be no interpreter there to make known meaning then that man is to keep silence cause no one to tell meaning and this God order for to follow. Women are also told to be in "silence" reason being she is under subjection obedience to husband as scripture do say vs. 34) IMO I take it to mean as long as the married women are in obedience to husband then think she can speak as Paul say that "everyone" vs.26 when come together has a psalm, a doctrine, a tongue, a revelation, a interpretation, but let everything be done so church be edified or built up comforted and all as they be confusion if instructions are not followed have no order. But do think women can speak as long she be under husband authority.

1 Timothy 2:11,12,13 - Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to ursurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

And that is the order of he set in place the man is in authority over the woman so if the man permits his wife to speak sharing whatever gift she may have with the church she is not in the wrong as God's order is in place but if not in this order just like the man with no interpreter was to keep silence or him would have been out of order to share him gift in church but all have to be under authority just have to learn that line of authority.

Genesis 3:16 - Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. (because man is head of the body two shall become one)

Ephesians 5:22

1 Corinthians 11:3

There is not a thing wrong with who he placed us in his order of authority for authority is a safe guard for us. It speaks in the word about women praying or prophesieth being out from under authority dishonoreth her head being her husband.

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