Christian Singer Jennifer Knapp Says She's Gay

[e lansing]

Jennifer Knapp should be vividly reminded about the Savior's very decisive declaration on the divine order of created humanness in Matthew 19:4-6 wherein He explicitly underscores the male-female, and husband-wife relationship which gives the big lie to homosexual shacking-up as any substitute arrangement concocted by rebellious individuals.

If Jennifer Knapp & her friends are intent on taking Holy Scripture seriously (as in Genesis 19:5; Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Deut. 22:5; Romans 1:24-27; 1 Cor. 6:9,10; 1 Timothy 1:10; Jude 1:7; etc,), she'll quickly discover that the sin of homosexuality or lesbianism is definitely not an option open to born-again Christians who would love & obey Jesus Christ. The One True & Universal Church of Jesus Christ should be clearly involved in the holy task of calling deviants to leave the lesbian life-style in obedience to Jesus the Righteous One

[Rick-Parker]

SexuL immorality is a sin. Homosexuality is not. That is the difference.

So what is the difference between the two, besides the words? There is no gay gene and to say people are born that way is to blame God for sin and call Him a lier.

Now that she is open and honest, although I believe God calls homosexuals to a life of celibacy- I think Paul himself struggled with this -

Wrong! To say "God calls homosexuals" is to mock God and make Him responsable for sin. The only thing God calls any of us to do is repent of our sin!

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I agree. God doesn,t call homosexuals to be celebit because he doesn't create them. God calls homosexuals to turn from being homsexuals just like any other sinful life style. As long as a person considers themselves to be gay whether they be practising or not has not turned from being gay.

Right. But as long as they have not acted on their homosexuality, they have not committed that particular sin. Lust, yes. And the Lord does want them to change their minds and turn from being gay; being gay without action is not a sin.

Let me be clear here, I DO NOT support homosexuality in any way, shape or form and find it as abominable and disgusting as the Lord does. I am addressing sin itself.

[Guest LadyC]

parker,

when one identifies themselves as being gay, they're identifying themselves to others and to themselves as having perverse, sinful desires.

if a person accepts Christ as their saviour, they become a NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST. "new creature in Christ" should be the only label they attach to themselves. any other label gives sin, not Jesus, the foothold in their life.

[Rick-Parker]

I'm not talking about "coming out" and identifying themselves as gay. I have known people who used to proclaim their "gayness" but have turned from that lifestyle. That doesn't mean that they no longer look at others and have homosexual desires (which is the sin), but they turn to Christ and confess their lust and are forgiven. My point is that it is not a sin to think of one's self as gay. Of course we all should have a new mind when we become saved, but there is still that human being within ourselves which causes us to think of ourselves in certain ways, whether healthy or unhealthy. It all depends on what you do with those thoughts and feelings. Just as it is with those who are bipolar, or manic depressives, they may have a low self esteem and even dislike themselves, but that does not mean that they are any less saved than you or any other child of God.

[CSLewis]

I agree with you Parker- That is why I believe you should remain celibate in order to be pure before God.

[Guest LadyC]

being bi-polar or having low self esteem is not a lifestyle, it is a medical condition.

look at it this way. if a heroin junkie accepts Christ as their saviour, and still thinks of themselves as a junkie, are they putting their focus on God or on heroin? on their spiritual condition or their physical desires?

i'm not going to go so far and say that a person who continues to identify themselves (publically OR privately) as "gay" instead of "christian" is committing a sin by putting that label on themselves, but if it isn't, i think it comes dangerously close to being one. the ONLY label that gives glory to God is born again christian... REDEEMED. that means you put away your old self... you put away the label that you identified with when you were in the world. as long as someone is still considering themselves "gay" (or a junkie) then (1) they're not giving God the glory for changing them, and in fact are denying that God has changed them, (2) are still giving time to sinful thoughts instead of taking them immediately captive to Christ. in short, they are identifying first with their "gayness" and secondly with their "christianity". and putting christianity in second place to their gayness IS a sin. so there ya have it, in one paragraph i have just gone from wishy-washy to firm. yes, a christian who calls himself gay is sinning.

[Guest LadyC]

CSLewis, why are you even still in this thread? you don't seem to want to have a discussion. i've asked you questions and others have asked you questions, and you refuse to respond to them. it's almost like watching a child put their fingers in their ears and chanting "gay's ok, gay's ok, gay's ok" in order to not hear the questions being asked.

[CSLewis]

Some things I don't think are appropriate to answer - and I am not going to respond to insults or veiled threats.

[Guest LadyC]

the question i have asked repeatedly was not insulting, was not threatening, nor was it in any way inappropriate.

those who have asked you to support the claims you have made have also said nothing insulting, threatening, or inappropriate.

there is only ONE of many questions that you have any legitimate reason to avoid answering, simply because the answer is irrelevant and none of anyone's business.

[Matthitjah]

I know Paul's passion was on Christ and Christ alone- he stated it is better not to get married- I don't think that he was gay necessarily though he did hint at an internal struggle that he was having but never came out - gays who confine their life to celibacy remaining single are free to be used by God - married people have to deal with our spouse.

That is very insulting to us who are single to assume Paul's singleness had to do with being attracted to men.

To clarify, Paul was a widower.

According to whom?