Sin, once repented, always forgiven?

[Khristeeanos]

We should not say "well God knows I a sinner so why try to live holy."

God wants us to live a holy life. We are to flee sin.

God bless,

Yea, last time I read my Bible, it said:

Be holy, as I am holy.

And it said many other things that we should read and accept just as much as the oft-quoted Ephesians 2:8-9, and John 10:28.

The Apostle Paul told Timmy ALL SCRIPTURE is useful for doctrine, not just the bits and parts that we choose (or in some cases are predetermined beforehand by God) to believe.

[Jedi4Yahweh]

We should not say "well God knows I a sinner so why try to live holy."

[Khristeeanos]

Last time I read my Bible, it was......well it was about 1987 and I was sitting at a bus station watching all the hippies go by with their horse-drawn carriages and paper towels for wiping up the city walls.

What?

[Kabowd]

The Apostle Paul most certainly did not struggle with sin. Romans 7 is taken out of context by most people who want to justify their sinful lives. (He asked Who would save him and then answered that question when he said that Jesus HAD saved him from that sinful lifestyle)

Could you show specifically how this is taken out of context please? Because, as I've been taught, in 1 Timothy 1:15 Paul admits to being the foremost sinner. Prior to verse 15 he is speaking in the past tense. But beginning in verse 15, he begins to speak in the present tense (in both Greek and English).

[Guest Called]

Tess, we have all been sinners. The Bible says For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God. HOWEVER, the Bible also says

Hebrews 10:26

26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left

Do you see the word Deliberately? That means willfully living in a state of rebellion. Constantly doing things that are a sin and thinking that God's grace will cover it...

The Bible says in Romans 6:1,

Well, then, should we keep on sinning so that grace may abound? Certainly not!

Do you understand?

[Kabowd]

Tess, we have all been sinners.  The Bible says For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God.  HOWEVER, the Bible also says

Hebrews 10:26

26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left

Do you see the word Deliberately?  That means willfully living in a state of rebellion.  Constantly doing things that are a sin and thinking that God's grace will cover it...

The Bible says in Romans 6:1,

Well, then, should we keep on sinning so that grace may abound?  Certainly not!

Do you understand?

What I understand is, that we can't pull verses out individually and come to a conclusion. We have to look at them within context and study what comes before it and immediately after it.

For instance, the Scripture you use for Hebrews. Did you know that the entire chapters of Hebrews 9 and 10 are completely devoted to explaining to believers that continual sacrifices are no longer necessary becaues of Christ's blood? Some believers were under the impression (as you seem to be) that Christ's blood did not cover all sins, that more sacrifices were needed - as in the old days with bulls and goats. The author of Hebrews is explaining that because Christ's blood was paid ONCE AND FOR ALL, there is no need for further sacrifice (in other words, once forgiveness is granted it is perpetual and not temporary).

Let's look at some of the other verses found in Hebrews:

"The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God! For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance - now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.....For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true on; He entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God's presence. Nor did He enter heaven to offer Himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now He has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of Himself. Just as man is destined to die once, and after that face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and He will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him." Heb. 9:13-15, 24-27

"Then He said, "Here I am, I have come to do Your will". He sets aside the first to establish the second. And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. Day after day every priest stands and performs his religioius duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when this Priest had offerered for all time one sacrifice for sins, He sat down at the right hand of God. Since that time He waits for His enemies to be made His footstool, because by one sacrifice He has made perfect forever those who are being made holy. The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First He says:

"This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds." Then He adds: "Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more." And where these have been forgiven, there is no longer any sacrifice for sin." Heb. 10:9-18

When we read these in context, it supports what I said earlier all the more.

Edited August 10, 2004 by Tess

[Kabowd]

btw..I have a couple of questions for those who believe salvation isn't secure:

If God says He forgives..and even forgets our sin...casts it as far as the East is from the West (Ps. 103:12; Heb.9:17-18), how is it not calling Him a liar to then say He will hold them against us?

I'm not trying to be disrespectful to anyone in here, I hope I don't come across that way.

~Tess

[Guest Puddin]

I'm just asking for help here EVERYONE!!!

Thank you LCP, Bob and Called. YOu guys are addressing my issues, not arguing the where and whyfores.

Puddin

PS:Thanks for being honoured Called :hug:

[Kabowd]

I'm glad you're getting answers, but is it not okay to go ahead and discuss these other issues?

If you'd rather not, I'd be glad to start another topic, cuz i have much more to say

Edited August 10, 2004 by Tess

[Guest Puddin]

I'd appreciate prayer Tess, but discuss it also if you like. Discussion is healthy

Puddin