Head Coverings

[Fez]

I was looking at the issue of head coverings in 1 Corinthians and came up with an idea as to why Paul says men should not cover their heads in church.

When Moses came down from the mountain his face shone with the Glory of God. In order that the people did not see this, either because only Moses had been in the Lord

[Hunterpoet]

In the past I have heard that men should not cover there head for the reason you stated , but also so that they are not covered with any glory other than God.

When I think of this it brings to mind all the hats a man can where ( and the term on the same subject)...like a military hat, policemens hat etc.

A woman's hair is her pride. Women have always had pride in their hair. In church and other instances this was covered so that no attention could be brought on them.

[oldzimm]

I don't think it really matters, about a month ago during our Sunday morning service our pastor made an announcement. Our pastor said I have a confession, my biggest weakness is pride, so I don't like to admit when I'm wrong. All my life I always thought you had to dress a certain why, live a certain way in order to get to heaven, I was wrong. Now our pastor was raised Mennonite so it is understandable, it can be a very strict up bringing. Our Pastor went on to say the one thing we must do in order to get too heaven is believe Jesus died for our sin, accept him as our lord an savior and pursuit to be like Jesus.

I think the key word in 1Cor 11:7 is "ought", Paul was saying it's not a sin but you should do it out of respect to God. Sorta like the FDA saying you ought not eat steak rare because you may get sick by doing so, yet there is no law stating you can't eat your steak rare (the way I like it lol).

The Bible also tells us to take care of ourselves because our bodies are a holy temple of God, now it has been drilled into us since childhood that we should wear a hat when outside because of possible sun poisoning.

[Fez]

I don't think it really matters, about a month ago during our Sunday morning service our pastor made an announcement. Our pastor said I have a confession, my biggest weakness is pride, so I don't like to admit when I'm wrong. All my life I always thought you had to dress a certain why, live a certain way in order to get to heaven, I was wrong. Now our pastor was raised Mennonite so it is understandable, it can be a very strict up bringing. Our Pastor went on to say the one thing we must do in order to get too heaven is believe Jesus died for our sin, accept him as our lord an savior and pursuit to be like Jesus.

I think the key word in 1Cor 11:7 is "ought", Paul was saying it's not a sin but you should do it out of respect to God. Sorta like the FDA saying you ought not eat steak rare because you may get sick by doing so, yet there is no law stating you can't eat your steak rare (the way I like it lol).

The Bible also tells us to take care of ourselves because our bodies are a holy temple of God, now it has been drilled into us since childhood that we should wear a hat when outside because of possible sun poisoning.

Oh I agree it does not really matter one way or the other, it's just that I have been reading 1 Cor and a few interesting things have come up. I just posted in General Discussion another verse about women and head coverings that has me scratching my head (I can do that cause I don't wear a hat )

[~Shalhevet~]

Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears his hair long it is a disgrace to him,

whereas if a woman has long hair it is her glory, because long hair has been given (her) for a covering?

1 Corinthians 11:15-16

Does this verse mean that long hair is a head covering?

[Fez]

Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears his hair long it is a disgrace to him,

whereas if a woman has long hair it is her glory, because long hair has been given (her) for a covering?

1 Corinthians 11:15-16

Does this verse mean that long hair is a head covering?

Well yes and no It is a head covering, but it is also her glory. But in another post I came across this, and I don't understand it myself.

Co 11:6 For if a wife will not cover her head, then she should cut her hair short. But since it is disgraceful for a wife to cut off her hair or shave her head, let her cover her head.

1Co 11:7 For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man.

1Co 11:8 For man was not made from woman, but woman from man.

1Co 11:9 Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.

1Co 11:10 That is why a wife ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels

[oldzimm]

Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears his hair long it is a disgrace to him,

whereas if a woman has long hair it is her glory, because long hair has been given (her) for a covering?

1 Corinthians 11:15-16

Does this verse mean that long hair is a head covering?

I'm getting thin on top, so I guess I'm safe when it comes to having hair too long.

[Guest man]

Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears his hair long it is a disgrace to him,

whereas if a woman has long hair it is her glory, because long hair has been given (her) for a covering?

1 Corinthians 11:15-16

Does this verse mean that long hair is a head covering?

Yes it does and I believe it has something to do with this.

1 Corinthians 11

4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head.

[Guest shiloh357]

I think it is important to point out that this advice was given to address a particular need for the Corinthians and was not being offered as universal church doctrine.

The epistles contain doctrine, but they also contain instructions relevant to the specific congregation or person to whom they are written.

We have the luxury of reading them all and they are universally available to us, but that was not the case in the when Paul was writing.

The issue of long hair and headcoverings pertained to Corinth mainly because of the pagan priestesses and homosexual male prostitutes who were getting saved and coming in to the congregation and the adjustments they had to make as a result.

The restriction of men wearing a headcovering was significant due to the fact that male prostitutes wore feminine headcoverings to attract men. The priestesses that operated at the Oracle of Delphi located in that area shaved their heads. These concerns had to be addressed and Paul attempts to do that in this letter.

[Fez]

I think it is important to point out that this advice was given to address a particular need for the Corinthians and was not being offered as universal church doctrine.

The epistles contain doctrine, but they also contain instructions relevant to the specific congregation or person to whom they are written.

We have the luxury of reading them all and they are universally available to us, but that was not the case in the when Paul was writing.

The issue of long hair and headcoverings pertained to Corinth mainly because of the pagan priestesses and homosexual male prostitutes who were getting saved and coming in to the congregation and the adjustments they had to make as a result.

The restriction of men wearing a headcovering was significant due to the fact that male prostitutes wore feminine headcoverings to attract men. The priestesses that operated at the Oracle of Delphi located in that area shaved their heads. These concerns had to be addressed and Paul attempts to do that in this letter.

Ok, but I am still stuggling with this scripture...

1Co 11:10 That is why a wife ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels

Any ideas?