The Book of Life

[enoob57]

Using your analogy, if faith is the pipeline... what happens when your pipeline is cut off?

The same thing that happens when you stop eating. You stop growing and eventually you starve to death.

Precisely the point. You die!

Jas 5:19 Brothers, if anyone among you err from the truth, and if anyone turns him back,

Jas 5:20 know that he who turns back the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

The Pipeline cannot be cut off for creation itself and the Word that was spoken "let there be" is food enough to that born of God!.... so even them without the Word are without excuse.

Andy if you believed in your heart that it could only be Christ and He alone that could save you! How is it you believe He is not able to keep you? A foundation is where the total of what you are is placed upon and held by.... The Father, Himself, wills that Christ your foundation, and The Holy Spirit is within you as a seal of The Father's and Son's work, where do you find in Scripture the power to undo what the combined God Head has done? For you see satan also thought he had power to undo God's place and replace that position with himself. He was not "praise God"! So also- you will not for in this list you are included

Rom 8:38-39

38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

NKJV

This is seen at the Cross: all things in Heaven and in Earth even the eternal presence of the Godhead- (The Fracture of Father and Son in fellowship of suffering) could not break the Love and Forgiveness of Christ Jesus in this death for sinners!

Love Steven

except for willful sin. Sin is enough to separate us from God forever!

e

That you must tell to brother Paul in Rom 7. He will undoubtedly disagree with you! It is to bad those that give the power of satan, which is sin, more power then that of Christ, which is life eternal and righteousness and holiness! Have we ever asked ourselves why is it the weak, the broken, the meek, the sick, the poor, the people whom He spoke of on the mountain in the beatitudes that receive eternal things? We are elected, chosen out to know that in and of ourselves we deserve eternal separation from God (this is our repentance) and at the same time God The Son came for us to do for us what we could not do for ourselves (this is His Grace) and this hope lives in our hearts and it's evidence is not yet seen in this time in it's fullness of power for no sign shall be given in the last of days but it is sung in their hearts- "For I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed unto Him against that day" THIS IS THE FAITH OF THE CHILDREN OF GOD!!! Love Steven

[enoob57]

I'm not saying He doesn't discipline me. He does, every day. I'm a bit thick sometimes, and stubborn, so He uses whatever He can... a piece of 4x2, an anvil, a bus .

But if a person totally turns their back, not just in rebellion [backslidden], but in denying Christ and His work for them, completely and utterly... how do you suppose that person is still saved? It flies against what I read in the Word. There are a plethora of threads here discussing scripture on the OSAS vs OSNAS debate, and I believe it would be dishonest not to acknowledge that there does appear to be scripture supporting both sides. I simply land on the OSNAS side of things [actually I don't, I dislike both doctrines... I would rather say 'we all need to persevere'].

Have you read my testimony?

There are so many times where I have come across doctrine that has made me want to run FROM Him, because it was so unpalatable to me. And He has lovingly called my name and reminded me that He is still good, and drawn me back to Himself. He did the same during a period of doubt. He drew me back, gently but with amazing strength.

I know that He both disciplines His kids, and holds them safe in His arms. I am not denying that He can keep them. I'm just suggesting that we can still utterly deny Him, even after we have put faith in Him.

The judgment is left unto God who is only the Able to Judge! It is good to be children "yes?" for I love to call Him "MY FATHER" and the Lord Christ who has provided this for us "MY EVERYTHING AS TO ALL IN ALL" and all who have His Words in them are in this binding of eternity! Light cannot be darkness and darkness cannot be light so the understanding of the "lie"

Luke 11:34-36

34 The lamp of the body is the eye. Therefore, when your eye is good, your whole body also is full of light. But when your eye is bad, your body also is full of darkness. 35 Therefore take heed that the light which is in you is not darkness. 36 If then your whole body is full of light, having no part dark, the whole body will be full of light, as when the bright shining of a lamp gives you light."

NKJV

Matt 6:23

23 But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

NKJV

I would not want such a freedom to deny the truth that is found only in God, that is why we are purchased and now we are no longer free but are bond-slaves unto the Lord Jesus Christ for Eternity, He calls us His Wife we call Him our Husband! This is the freedom He has set for us in Himself the unbounded. These truths are to precious and valuable to keep in our own strength therefore you must commit it all back unto His keeping thus it may be said "into thy Hands I commit my Spirit" this He said after our sins was placed upon Him. If it is not our works that bring us life then how can it be our works that kill us? It is the depth of our being that we have been given the light of God to see. We do see and how can the sight be undone? Your words above echo to us the children as those belonging to His Words this is how He bears witness to one another that we are His and we are family. I read your testimony every time I read your posts you are a living testimony and that is kept by God and death and hell are swallowed up and eternally separated from that which is His.

we can still utterly deny Him, even after we have put faith in Him.

Perhaps in the flesh, but He cannot deny Himself which is in us for that which is Spirit is Spirit and that is Our Andy which is kept by God! For all that I find precious by the Light of His Word I commit back unto Him for the keeping because I, in and of myself, am also committed unto Him in the same way! To empty oneself of the world and flesh is made ready to be filled with the things of Heaven and the body not yet fitted unto themselves. Love Steven

[nebula]

2 Timothy 4:10 NAS

for Demas, having loved this present world, has deserted me and gone to Thessalonica....

Anyone ever wonder what his eternal fate turned out to be?

Anybody?

[EricH]

2 Timothy 4:10 NAS

for Demas, having loved this present world, has deserted me and gone to Thessalonica....

Anyone ever wonder what his eternal fate turned out to be?

Anybody?

I wonder, but don't know

[e lansing]

except for willful sin. Sin is enough to separate us from God forever!

e

[enoob57]

2 Timothy 4:10 NAS

for Demas, having loved this present world, has deserted me and gone to Thessalonica....

Anyone ever wonder what his eternal fate turned out to be?

Anybody?

I wonder, but don't know

Don't feel like the lone ranger Brother of mine-

1 Peter 1:3-12

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

6 In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by various trials, 7 that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ, 8 whom having not seen you love. Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, 9 receiving the end of your faith

[Guest man]

Using your analogy, if faith is the pipeline... what happens when your pipeline is cut off?

The same thing that happens when you stop eating. You stop growing and eventually you starve to death.

Precisely the point. You die!

Jas 5:19 Brothers, if anyone among you err from the truth, and if anyone turns him back,

Jas 5:20 know that he who turns back the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

The Pipeline cannot be cut off for creation itself and the Word that was spoken "let there be" is food enough to that born of God!.... so even them without the Word are without excuse.

Andy if you believed in your heart that it could only be Christ and He alone that could save you! How is it you believe He is not able to keep you? A foundation is where the total of what you are is placed upon and held by.... The Father, Himself, wills that Christ your foundation, and The Holy Spirit is within you as a seal of The Father's and Son's work, where do you find in Scripture the power to undo what the combined God Head has done? For you see satan also thought he had power to undo God's place and replace that position with himself. He was not "praise God"! So also- you will not for in this list you are included

Rom 8:38-39

38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

NKJV

This is seen at the Cross: all things in Heaven and in Earth even the eternal presence of the Godhead- (The Fracture of Father and Son in fellowship of suffering) could not break the Love and Forgiveness of Christ Jesus in this death for sinners!

Love Steven

except for willful sin. Sin is enough to separate us from God forever!

e

That you must tell to brother Paul in Rom 7. He will undoubtedly disagree with you!

Paul also wrote this.

Romans 11

19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in."

20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear.

21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.

22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

Closing your eyes and looking away will not make it disappear.

[enoob57]

Yes Paul like the rest of us struggle with the flesh/sin, I am not denying that. What I am saying is that if we continue to live in unrepentant sin, such as immorality or drunkenness and we die in that state, we will end up in eternal separation from God. If Paul is saying what you are implying (never losing your salvation), then why would he like Jesus warn us to remain faithful to the end if we as followers could never lose our salvation?

These are the things that we test, inspect, examine, to see if we are of the faith "if we truly have been born again"! Do you really believe Christ can save you? Who would ask us this? Why would we doubt? Combine this with I must work to keep my salvation? Yet in honesty I keep sining! All this combined and you have a really good recipe for weak faith or no faith at all! It is simple my friend if works cannot save you works cannot unsave you! The truth is if God is in you then He will be God and His works will be seen for He cannot deny Himself inside you or outside you! You must understand these people came from a works based relationship with God and law! Nearly 2000 years of it and we know by works of the law no flesh shall be justified- God just showed us 2000 years of great people failing in that attempt! Justification is by faith and faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen! I wish to be holy and pleasing to The Lord but I fail everyday to my deepening need of Christ my Lord this is the substance of Hope that He will deliver me from this body of sin! That which I have as yet not seen! Oh I have great changes within me that are miracles unto my own thankfulness and these witnesses within are fueling my increased hope of being 100% like my Lord in obedience to The Father!

It is to bad those that give the power of satan, which is sin, more power then that of Christ, which is life eternal and righteousness and holiness!

Your a you right? I would have said you but when we post we have many readers so not only am I writing to you but to those who read as well! But thank you for the forgiveness!

I do not and never said or implied that satan has more power then God or Jesus!!!!!! I will forgive you for that. Where do you find in scripture that sin is satans power (the garden)? Satan has no more power then what God allows and satan has no more power over man then what we give him. Satan did not make Eve or Adam sin, they did that on there own, they could have obeyed God, but they chose to disobey/sin.

God Himself testifies that the woman was deceived but the man was not and that deception was based on the lie presented to her by satan! Why is it that we attribute sin and its origins outside of satan? He is sin! Sin is a lie a fabrication of something which came from God yet did not! All things come from God yet sin did not! Its father is satan the father of all lies! Sin did not exist before satan and will not exist after he is gone! We all need to study basic harmartiology in Scripture to understand sin and its implications.

I have no doubt that Christ can keep us through the eternal life He has provided, unless we fall away from him, then we would be lost. Here consider Hebrews 6:4-6 For in the case of those who have been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

This is a self evident teaching of impossibilities or absurdities! Let me ask this way for there is a parallel reasoning going on here- the first is true believers have fallen away with no ability to repent and turn back. The second is the Glorified Christ sitting at the right hand of The Father receiving the Glory that He had before He came to earth Jn. 17, and "FINISHED HIS WORK" of providing eternal salvation to all that The Father draws unto Him can again be put to shame as to have that Glory (presently has) taken away by His creation!

first answer:

1 John 2:1-2

2 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

NKJV

Second answer:

Rom 8:1-2

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.

NKJV

point in fact by the rest of Scripture these two parallels can never be true! the children are provided with repentance and Christ can never be put to shame again!

For this is said so in His Word

Heb 9:23-27

23 Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25 not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another

[enoob57]

Yes Paul like the rest of us struggle with the flesh/sin, I am not denying that. What I am saying is that if we continue to live in unrepentant sin, such as immorality or drunkenness and we die in that state, we will end up in eternal separation from God. If Paul is saying what you are implying (never losing your salvation), then why would he like Jesus warn us to remain faithful to the end if we as followers could never lose our salvation?

These are the things that we test, inspect, examine, to see if we are of the faith "if we truly have been born again"! Do you really believe Christ can save you? Who would ask us this? Why would we doubt? Combine this with I must work to keep my salvation? Yet in honesty I keep sining! All this combined and you have a really good recipe for weak faith or no faith at all! It is simple my friend if works cannot save you works cannot unsave you! The truth is if God is in you then He will be God and His works will be seen for He cannot deny Himself inside you or outside you! You must understand these people came from a works based relationship with God and law! Nearly 2000 years of it and we know by works of the law no flesh shall be justified- God just showed us 2000 years of great people failing in that attempt! Justification is by faith and faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen! I wish to be holy and pleasing to The Lord but I fail everyday to my deepening need of Christ my Lord this is the substance of Hope that He will deliver me from this body of sin! That which I have as yet not seen! Oh I have great changes within me that are miracles unto my own thankfulness and these witnesses within are fueling my increased hope of being 100% like my Lord in obedience to The Father!

It is to bad those that give the power of satan, which is sin, more power then that of Christ, which is life eternal and righteousness and holiness!

Your a you right? I would have said you but when we post we have many readers so not only am I writing to you but to those who read as well! But thank you for the forgiveness!

I do not and never said or implied that satan has more power then God or Jesus!!!!!! I will forgive you for that. Where do you find in scripture that sin is satans power (the garden)? Satan has no more power then what God allows and satan has no more power over man then what we give him. Satan did not make Eve or Adam sin, they did that on there own, they could have obeyed God, but they chose to disobey/sin.

God Himself testifies that the woman was deceived but the man was not and that deception was based on the lie presented to her by satan! Why is it that we attribute sin and its origins outside of satan? He is sin! Sin is a lie a fabrication of something which came from God yet did not! All things come from God yet sin did not! Its father is satan the father of all lies! Sin did not exist before satan and will not exist after he is gone! We all need to study basic harmartiology in Scripture to understand sin and its implications.

I have no doubt that Christ can keep us through the eternal life He has provided, unless we fall away from him, then we would be lost. Here consider Hebrews 6:4-6 For in the case of those who have been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

This is a self evident teaching of impossibilities or absurdities! Let me ask this way for there is a parallel reasoning going on here- the first is true believers have fallen away with no ability to repent and turn back. The second is the Glorified Christ sitting at the right hand of The Father receiving the Glory that He had before He came to earth Jn. 17, and "FINISHED HIS WORK" of providing eternal salvation to all that The Father draws unto Him can again be put to shame as to have that Glory (presently has) taken away by His creation!

first answer:

1 John 2:1-2

2 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

NKJV

Second answer:

Rom 8:1-2

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.

NKJV

point in fact by the rest of Scripture these two parallels can never be true! the children are provided with repentance and Christ can never be put to shame again!

For this is said so in His Word

Heb 9:23-27

23 Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25 not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another

[enoob57]

Reply to E previous post

Yes Paul like the rest of us struggle with the flesh/sin, I am not denying that. What I am saying is that if we continue to live in unrepentant sin, such as immorality or drunkenness and we die in that state, we will end up in eternal separation from God. If Paul is saying what you are implying (never losing your salvation), then why would he like Jesus warn us to remain faithful to the end if we as followers could never lose our salvation?

These are the things that we test, inspect, examine, to see if we are of the faith "if we truly have been born again"! Do you really believe Christ can save you? Who would ask us this? Why would we doubt? Combine this with I must work to keep my salvation? Yet in honesty I keep sining! All this combined and you have a really good recipe for weak faith or no faith at all! It is simple my friend if works cannot save you works cannot unsave you! The truth is if God is in you then He will be God and His works will be seen for He cannot deny Himself inside you or outside you! You must understand these people came from a works based relationship with God and law! Nearly 2000 years of it and we know by works of the law no flesh shall be justified- God just showed us 2000 years of great people failing in that attempt! Justification is by faith and faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen! I wish to be holy and pleasing to The Lord but I fail everyday to my deepening need of Christ my Lord this is the substance of Hope that He will deliver me from this body of sin! That which I have as yet not seen! Oh I have great changes within me that are miracles unto my own thankfulness and these witnesses within are fueling my increased hope of being 100% like my Lord in obedience to The Father!

It is to bad those that give the power of satan, which is sin, more power then that of Christ, which is life eternal and righteousness and holiness!

Your a you right? I would have said you but when we post we have many readers so not only am I writing to you but to those who read as well! But thank you for the forgiveness!

I do not and never said or implied that satan has more power then God or Jesus!!!!!! I will forgive you for that. Where do you find in scripture that sin is satans power (the garden)? Satan has no more power then what God allows and satan has no more power over man then what we give him. Satan did not make Eve or Adam sin, they did that on there own, they could have obeyed God, but they chose to disobey/sin.

God Himself testifies that the woman was deceived but the man was not and that deception was based on the lie presented to her by satan! Why is it that we attribute sin and its origins outside of satan? He is sin! Sin is a lie a fabrication of something which came from God yet did not! All things come from God yet sin did not! Its father is satan the father of all lies! Sin did not exist before satan and will not exist after he is gone! We all need to study basic harmartiology in Scripture to understand sin and its implications.

I have no doubt that Christ can keep us through the eternal life He has provided, unless we fall away from him, then we would be lost. Here consider Hebrews 6:4-6 For in the case of those who have been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

This is a self evident teaching of impossibilities or absurdities! Let me ask this way for there is a parallel reasoning going on here- the first is true believers have fallen away with no ability to repent and turn back. The second is the Glorified Christ sitting at the right hand of The Father receiving the Glory that He had before He came to earth Jn. 17, and "FINISHED HIS WORK" of providing eternal salvation to all that The Father draws unto Him can again be put to shame as to have that Glory (presently has) taken away by His creation!

first answer:

1 John 2:1-2

2 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

NKJV

Second answer:

Rom 8:1-2

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.

NKJV

point in fact by the rest of Scripture these two parallels can never be true! the children are provided with repentance and Christ can never be put to shame again!

For this is said so in His Word

Heb 9:23-27

23 Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25 not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another