Do You Know What Muslims teach in Mosques?

[MorningGlory]

Right.

There are many contradictory verses in Quran about the People of the Book (Jews and Christians). Each verse corresponds to a specific period in Muhammad's life: the period when he thought Jews and Christians would crown him prophet; the period when he realized that Jews and Christians were not accepting his self-proclaimed legitimacy. The verse you just quoted is from the second period. The Quran, when studied in relations to Muhammad,s life really reflects the whims and moods of the man and his own personal and political issues... each time he felt rejected or had a disagreement with a group of people, "God" conveniently revealed a verse against them on that same day.

So if you want to show the great "peace record" of Islam, I suggest you present people with the history and the life of their own prophet. because if you use the Quran, it always gets explained away.

In fact, the historical massacres of innocent men, women, and children, as well as the capture of Christian and Jewish women to be turned into slave-concubines are enough proof to defeat the Islamic law argument. There is so much cruelty in Muhammad and his friends that I can't even begin to talk about it here. His early Muslim biographers all mention the horrors and wickedness of the prophet and his companions in detail. And that is what most Muslims dont know about. They keep thinking their prophet was a holy and loving man.

The Quran is filled with contradictions so that is obviously not where the teachings in the mosques come from at all. Just to clarify based on your question about the content of mosque sermons.

Seeing as how you were delivered from islam, sister, I consider your thoughts to be ones we should listen to carefully. (And Praise God for your conversion to the Truth!)

[Blien]

Right.

There are many contradictory verses in Quran about the People of the Book (Jews and Christians). Each verse corresponds to a specific period in Muhammad's life: the period when he thought Jews and Christians would crown him prophet; the period when he realized that Jews and Christians were not accepting his self-proclaimed legitimacy. The verse you just quoted is from the second period. The Quran, when studied in relations to Muhammad,s life really reflects the whims and moods of the man and his own personal and political issues... each time he felt rejected or had a disagreement with a group of people, "God" conveniently revealed a verse against them on that same day.

So if you want to show the great "peace record" of Islam, I suggest you present people with the history and the life of their own prophet. because if you use the Quran, it always gets explained away.

In fact, the historical massacres of innocent men, women, and children, as well as the capture of Christian and Jewish women to be turned into slave-concubines are enough proof to defeat the Islamic law argument. There is so much cruelty in Muhammad and his friends that I can't even begin to talk about it here. His early Muslim biographers all mention the horrors and wickedness of the prophet and his companions in detail. And that is what most Muslims dont know about. They keep thinking their prophet was a holy and loving man.

The Quran is filled with contradictions so that is obviously not where the teachings in the mosques come from at all. Just to clarify based on your question about the content of mosque sermons.

Have you ever heard of Father Zakaria Botros? He's a coptic preist from Egypt who preaches the Gospel to Muslims and has converted many.. he often uses the Koran to prove his point and many people have come to question their own beliefs because of what he does.

Maybe pointing to their prophet's history might be beneficial but in reality how many of them study his life compared with the Koran?

[fromIslam2Christ]

I love father Zakaria Butros and admire his work, especially since his life is constantly under threat. I listen to his shows regularly, and also there is a show called Islam Explained (in Arabic, but some of them are translated with subtitles on You tube) does the same thing he does and also invites him. There are also dynamic apologetics people (Acts 17, Answering Islam, Answer Islam) for the English speaking world who really do an awesome job.

Most Muslims don't even know the Quran, nor the life of their prophet actually, as you have probably already noticed. So they base a lot of their knowledge on what the preachers say.

You are right that with them the Quran holds a high place, but I found when discussing with them that they always manage to twist it around by bringing in another contradictory verse.

So what I have found that makes them tick is when I show how Muhammad's life becomes increasingly violent, perverse, immoral, and blood-thirsty...because they can't explain it away with anything else.

From a quiet, kind and sensitive man, Muhammad becomes wicked.. (ahem, the influcence of the evil spirit that "revealed" the Quran to him, perhaps?) . You see what I mean?

[Blien]

From a quiet, kind and sensitive man, Muhammad becomes wicked.. (ahem, the influcence of the evil spirit that "revealed" the Quran to him, perhaps?) . You see what I mean?

LOL... absolutely, "The truth reared it's ugly head" as they say.. LOL....

[lekh l'kha]

From a quiet, kind and sensitive man, Muhammad becomes wicked.. (ahem, the influcence of the evil spirit that "revealed" the Quran to him, perhaps?) . You see what I mean?

LOL... absolutely, "The truth reared it's ugly head" as they say.. LOL....

I don't think Muslims realize that they actually worship Muhammad in their hearts and that therefore their god is Muhammad. A Muslim asked on Facebook recently why God would need to send His Son to die for the sins of the world, why He couldn't send any other prophet - "like Muhammad".

When he was told that God could not use Muhammad because Muhammad was full of sin like any other human being, the Muslim guy answered, "Never! Muhammad could not have sinned. Allah would have kept him from it!"

The myth of Muhammad as a good, righteous, holy man needs to be broken first - because whether they admit it to themselves or not, they worship Muhammad in their hearts and therefore have two gods: Muhammad and the distant, moody vengeful god allah which Muhammad told them to worship. one can tell how much they worship their god Muhammad in their hearts by their reactions to criticism of Muhammad.

[Blien]

From a quiet, kind and sensitive man, Muhammad becomes wicked.. (ahem, the influcence of the evil spirit that "revealed" the Quran to him, perhaps?) . You see what I mean?

LOL... absolutely, "The truth reared it's ugly head" as they say.. LOL....

I don't think Muslims realize that they actually worship Muhammad in their hearts and that therefore their god is Muhammad. A Muslim asked on Facebook recently why God would need to send His Son to die for the sins of the world, why He couldn't send any other prophet - "like Muhammad".

When he was told that God could not use Muhammad because Muhammad was full of sin like any other human being, the Muslim guy answered, "Never! Muhammad could not have sinned. Allah would have kept him from it!"

The myth of Muhammad as a good, righteous, holy man needs to be broken first - because whether they admit it to themselves or not, they worship Muhammad in their hearts and therefore have two gods: Muhammad and the distant, moody vengeful god allah which Muhammad told them to worship. one can tell how much they worship their god Muhammad in their hearts by their reactions to criticism of Muhammad.

Good observation, I'll raise that with them the next time.