How do we overcome?

[lekh l'kha]

One doesn't have to reject God outright to be rejected by God.

"Unbelief" also applies to His warnings.

Give that some thought.

The only reason an entire generation of Israelites perished in the wilderness is because they did not have faith in the salvation of YHWH. If you do not believe that your are saved eternally by the blood of Jesus and if you do not believe that He and He alone is the LORD YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS, this is symptomatic of the fact that you do not believe in the salvation of YHWH.

[lekh l'kha]

We stand by faith in the salvation of YHWH, and we fall through unbelief in the salvation of YHWH:

"Well, because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be high-minded, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, fear lest He also may not spare you either!" (Rom 11:20-21)

[Guest man]

We stand by faith in the salvation of YHWH, and we fall through unbelief in the salvation of YHWH:

"Well, because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be high-minded, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, fear lest He also may not spare you either! (Rom 11:20-21)

[~candice~]

I don't see it that way.

If someone becomes aware that a threat is empty, it no longer carries any threat! And with bible study (according to the OSAS position) we see that this isn't a threat, and thus there is no power in the passage.

So the passage becomes empty... once the threat is removed it doesn't become an admonishment, it becomes.... nothing really. The meaning of it has been lost.

ASIGT remember.

The passage is not empty to me at all.I know how fortunate I am to avoid God's wrath.If it seems empty and worthless to someone maybe they do not appreciate the gift they have received.

It is not worthless to me, but I don't render the threat not a threat. Rather, I think it is valuable because of it.

It is important to me because I know I do not deserve the grace given to me.I don't render strong admonishment to a threat is all.

I know what God wants of me and I know I am unable to deliver this without His help.

And He does help everyday through encouragement,correction,and even punishment.

Do you believe you could ever deny your Lord?

What is this then?

"Take heed, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God." (Heb 3:12)

Another false threat?

I don't think threats are anything other than threats.

Could I deny the Lord? If I fell from faith, yes I could.

[~candice~]

Agua, we are at an impasse. If you read a threat as an admonishment, we are approaching the interpretation of scripture from two completely different angles and will not see this eye to eye.

I take that passage literally, as if the consequence were able to occur, and I feel it is dishonest handling of scripture to presume that the Lord would threaten with a consequence that cannot occur.

[~candice~]

Agua, we are at an impasse. If you read a threat as an admonishment, we are approaching the interpretation of scripture from two completely different angles and will not see this eye to eye.

I take that passage literally, as if the consequence were able to occur, and I feel it is dishonest handling of scripture to presume that the Lord would threaten with a consequence that cannot occur.

Oky doky Andy.Let's let it go then eh.I do not like thinking me and all my ASIGT buddies are handling scripture dishonestly.

And admonishment is to make people realize what could occur,not what will.

Oh,and is impasse that chess move I taught you?

The onus is on you to prove that the Lord has made an admonishment, and not a threat as actually written.

If something is impossible to occur, and people know it, then it is not even an admonishment.

[Guest]

....read a threat as an admonishment, we are approaching the interpretation of scripture from two completely different angles and will not see this eye to eye.

I take that passage literally, as if the consequence were able to occur, and I feel it is dishonest handling of scripture to presume that the Lord would threaten with a consequence that cannot occur.

.... admonishment is to make people realize what could occur, not what will....

.... prove that the Lord has made an admonishment, and not a threat as actually written.

If something is impossible to occur, and people know it, then it is not even an admonishment....

For The Hard Of Hearing (Like Me) The LORD Does Provide A Kindergarten Kind Of Word Picture

Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. Jeremiah 17:5

Showing The Difference Between Two Families Of People

Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. Jeremiah 17:7

Leading Me To Cling To The LORD

Rejoice evermore.

Pray without ceasing.

In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

Quench not the Spirit.

Despise not prophesyings.

Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Abstain from all appearance of evil. 1 Thessalonians 5:16-22

Totally Trusting In

And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it. 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24

Jesus

Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. John 14:1-3

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Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:4-27

Love, Your Brother Joe

[~candice~]

That is lovely Joe... although I suspect we have different positions on this topic.

Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. Jeremiah 17:5

How can you depart from the Lord if you were never with the Lord to begin with?

Security is for those who have faith in Him. Those who once had faith, but have walked away, departed from the Lord, should have no assurance.

That is my position.

I also make the position that the Lord doesn't make empty threats.

God bless,

Candice

[Guest man]

And admonishment is to make people realize what could occur,not what will.

So what's the point of an admonishment?

Pay close attention to verse 11 and 12. The last 3 words in verse 12 are not empty.

1 Corinthians 10

1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea,

2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,

3 all ate the same spiritual food,

4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.

5 But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.

6 Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted.

7 And do not become idolaters as were some of them. As it is written,

[lekh l'kha]

And admonishment is to make people realize what could occur,not what will.

So what's the point of an admonishment?

Pay close attention to verse 11 and 12. The last 3 words in verse 12 are not empty.

1 Corinthians 10

1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea,

2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,

3 all ate the same spiritual food,

4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.

5 But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.

6 Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted.

7 And do not become idolaters as were some of them. As it is written,