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InHisLove,

Holiness and perfection are by no means a theory invented by me.

1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, PERFECTING HOLINESS in the fear of God.   2 Cor. 7:1

Who is "under the earth"?

Those in the grave. They are awaiting judgement. Every one of them will one day see that Jesus is Lord.      peace, mike

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Therefore I conclude that THE BASE those who failed God will not enter the kingdom. They shall be burned (ANNIHILATED)up in judgement. verse 15

with all due respect, michael, it does NOT say that those who fail shall be "annihilated" in judgment ... but the WORKS shall be burned, and yet he HIMSELF SHALL BE SAVED.

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Who is "under the earth"?

Those in the grave. They are awaiting judgement. Every one of them will one day see that Jesus is Lord.      peace, mike

so where are their souls?  when they died, they just went straight into the ground without knowing where they were going?

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in which he went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly did not obey,  1 Peter 3:19-20 (RSV) ... these spirits waiting for Jesus ... SO, are you saying that when we die, that we just go in the ground like those people and wait until that judgment day, when "every knee shall bow".
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In HisLove,

Catch Pauls point.

Pauls work was the CHURCH. People of God.

1 Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye MY WORK in the Lord?

When the people of God are judged Pauls WORKS are being judged. He will get a reward for those he ministered to that make it. For those who are destroyed he gets no reward BUT he himself shall be saved.

This is a warning given to ministers to take care how they build.

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Pauls work was the CHURCH. People of God.

1 Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye MY WORK in the Lord?

When the people of God are judged Pauls WORKS are being judged. He will get a reward for those he ministered to that make it. For those who are destroyed he gets no reward BUT he himself shall be saved.

This is a warning given to ministers to take care how they build.  

very well, mike.  But what about our works?  If they're not perfect, then you say we are doomed for xxxx.  Explain our works to me in your viewpoint.  I'm very confused as to your position.  Thank you, peace!

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Out of curiousity how does this verse fit into your thinking.

Isaiah 64:6  But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Why do you suppose Isaiah (which by the way the author hints in Hebrews as the prophet that was sawn in half in Jerusalem) writes that our righteousness is FILTHY rags before the Lord?

Your brother in Christ with much agape love,

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I perceive you are alluding to the doctrine of "Eternal Security" are you?

no I wasnt'...but I was alluding to the fact that one might not go straight to heaven when they die, yet NOT go to ---- either.

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