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LARRYT

who is the VICAR (anti) CHRIST?

Sorry I am honestly not following that piece.

Blessings - Sachi :laugh:

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Pope's title VICAR OF CHRIST

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Well, Larry, why am I shocked . . .

I respect your position -

I used to years ago -being raised in a good Baptist home - be convinced that the AntiChrist would emerge frome the Papacy or at least the Catholic Church.

I am not so sure now

So I am careful about that.

I don't know how he will emerge or how he will consolidate his power among the divergent faiths, but I think that a large part of the Protestant denominations will fall in under his umbrella too -

It may be as you intimate.

It may very well be.

But that does not diminsh, detract from the reality that the Holy Spirit is operative in the Catholic Church today.

I know many born again Catholic believers.

I happen to believe that the curent Pope John Paull II is a born again Christian.

Blessings - Sachi :laugh:


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Not if he is trusting mary for his salvation.

His title is Vicar of Christ. I did not say he was THE anti-christ. John said there would be many antichrists.


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SERVING HIM

The Protestants tried to destroy it in the reformation and failed, and look what happened

to them. The Church of Protestantism, which Luther founded, was from the very beginning

cracked and splintered. Look at Protestantism today, over 36,400 splinters, with more

cropping up every day.

The Catholic Church is still here.

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We need to qualify that statement- from the website you referred me to.

Protestantism did NOT TRY TO DESTROY the Catholic Church.

fair enough...I didn't write it...but 'protestantism' IS protest, is it not?


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Well, I can't speak fro him

But from what I have read BY him and what I have HEARD him say in his homilies I would be strongly persuaded to believe that he trusts JESUS for his Salvation.

But I realize the whole doctrine of Mary gets us i nto that grey area -

It is really a late medieval addition to the Catholic teaching - but I would not through out the baby with the bathwater

Blessings - Sachi


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Not if he is trusting mary for his salvation.

His title is Vicar of Christ. I did not say he was THE anti-christ. John said there would be many antichrists.

18 Children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come; therefore we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out, that it might be plain that they all are not of us. 20 But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all know. 21 I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and know that no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father. He who confesses the Son has the Father also. 1 John 2:18-23

Hardly think that JPII fits that description... :laugh:


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Well, I can't speak fro him

But from what I have read BY him and what I have HEARD him say in his homilies I would be strongly persuaded to believe that he trusts JESUS for his Salvation.

But I realize the whole doctrine of Mary gets us i nto that grey area -

It is really a late medieval addition to the Catholic teaching - but I would not through out the baby with the bathwater

Blessings - Sachi

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SERVING HIM

fair enough...I didn't write it...but 'protestantism' IS protest, is it not

Well from what I recollect from my church history class - it is a name that the Catholics attached to those believers who challenged the errant practices of the Catholic Church.

But the early Protestant Church was a small group of believers here and there whose main focus was in apprehending and containing and teaching the new truths that were revealed to them ( such as, Salvation by faith, sola scriptura etc)

Early protestant groups often did not have the political machinery of a country behind them - like Luther did.

They were more often than not a minority and persecuted for their beliefs .

They did not have the interest, political momentum, psychological orientation, or spiritual mandate to work to 'destroy the Catholic Church.' They were more interested in spreading their faith - it was a proactive initiative -

See that is the problem SH both sides make radical statements - which obfuscate the core truths we share

I think we will be very surprised who we will meet in Heaven -

humbly - and blessings to you all- sachi

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Not if he is trusting mary for his salvation.

His title is Vicar of Christ.  I did not say he was THE anti-christ.  John said there would be many antichrists.

18 Children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come; therefore we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out, that it might be plain that they all are not of us. 20 But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all know. 21 I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and know that no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father. He who confesses the Son has the Father also. 1 John 2:18-23

Hardly think that JPII fits that description... :laugh:

Is VICAR OF CHRIST a title for the pope?

LT

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