Break my heart with the things that break Yours, Lord

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

Katy Ann,

So you think God wants us to feel his pain? Does scripture exhort us to attempt do so? Is this something a loving father would want for his children?

1Pe

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

1 Peter 4

1Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

It's funny how you bolded this part;

1Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind:

But neglected ths part;

for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

Explain to me. Are the Christians who are being beaten and suffering all manner of injustice, to include death, world wide through persectuion and Terror for their Faith somehow how in a special class?

Heb

[~candice~]

Mark 10

³⁵James and John, the two sons of Zebedee, came up to Jesus, saying, "Teacher, we want You to do for us whatever we ask of You." ³⁶And He said to them, "What do you want Me to do for you?" ³⁷They said to Him, "Grant that we may sit, one on Your right and one on Your left, in Your glory." ³⁸But Jesus said to them, "You do not know what you are asking. Are you able to drink the cup that I drink, or to be baptized with the baptism with which I am baptized?" ³⁹They said to Him, "We are able." And Jesus said to them, "The cup that I drink you shall drink; and you shall be baptized with the baptism with which I am baptized. ⁴⁰"But to sit on My right or on My left, this is not Mine to give; but it is for those for whom it has been prepared."

It's a bitter cup .

[nebula]

You don't think the Bridegroom wants His bride to share in His heart?

His heart yes. His pain no.

I'll just say this, as someone who has walked through great pain my entire life, if a man desires to know my heart, if he does not share in my pain and sorrow, I can never believe he knows me, knows my heart.

I'll never forget how meaningful it was to me when I shared with a friend some of the pain I went through and she cried. No one had ever cried with me before. This comforted me more than any words ever did.

I used to think that to be holy I had to be happy, and so I shoved down every speck of pain and wouldn't let myself mourn and the like. I thought that was how to overcome my "struggles" (what I called my chronic depression before I knew that is what it was).

I have since learned that this was a lie.

It's like pouring dirt over garbage thinking it will support the foundation for a building.

The joy of the Lord is not your joy.

[~candice~]

I don't think there is anything wrong with praying that your heart and desires would match the Lord's heart and desires. I just know this is going to be painful. It's painful to come into line with God's heart for two reasons. Firstly, because we are prideful stubborn people and chipping away at that attitude hurts. Secondly, because the Lord carries a great passion for hurting people, and we must see that pain too in order to reach out to them.

Ps 51

¹⁶For You do not delight in sacrifice, otherwise I would give it;

You are not pleased with burnt offering.

¹⁷The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit;

A broken and a contrite heart, O God, You will not despise.

[nebula]

As a parent I can say that I do not want my children to feel my pain.

Lots of people use that argument to claim God is cruel for not preventing us from feeling pain.

How is your point different from this?

I realize that. But there is a difference. God's goal is not to spare us from pain, but that in no way means he wants us to share his.

What Scripture do you have that states the Lord doesn't want us to share in His burden.

God wants us to do his will. This is what Christ told us to pray for via the Lord's prayer.

And what is His will?

For us to serve him. Nowhere does it say we must share his pain in order to serve him. Scripture actually says it is God's will that we are to have peace.

2 Thessalonians 3:16 Now may the Lord of peace himself give you peace at all times and in every way. The Lord be with all of you.

When a friend loses a loved one, how do you comfort her? Try to make her feel happy?

Is it not to love? Him first and others second?

What is loving the Lord to you? Does not love share in the joys and sorrows of one loved?

Loving the Lord is doing his will as much as is humanly possible while keeping him the center of my life. Scripture does not say that asking the Lord to share pain with me is required.

What does it mean to you to be the Bride of Christ?

How does a bride love her bridegroom?

He also wants us to spread the Gospel and live our lives as an example of being a child of God. This we are also told in scripture.

Does one negate the other?

Others see Christ through us. Being unhappy and in pain because of our relationship with God would not be much of a witness would it?

I just heard the best sermon this weekend. The man cried the whole time!

When he said, "God's heart bleeds for this generation," it made it so much more real. It made me want to do whatever I could towards the salvation of the lost because that would bring joy to the Father's heart.

Would you please explain how you interpret "how he wants to feel about his love for us and ours for him" through this psalm? Thanks!

It's pretty evident isn't it? COME BEFORE HIS PRESENCE WITH SINGING.

How does singing equate to love?

[nebula]

I don't think there is anything wrong with praying that your heart and desires would match the Lord's heart and desires. I just know this is going to be painful. It's painful to come into line with God's heart for two reasons. Firstly, because we are prideful stubborn people and chipping away at that attitude hurts. Secondly, because the Lord carries a great passion for hurting people, and we must see that pain too in order to reach out to them.

Ps 51

¹⁶For You do not delight in sacrifice, otherwise I would give it;

You are not pleased with burnt offering.

¹⁷The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit;

A broken and a contrite heart, O God, You will not despise.

Thank-you, Candice!

[nebula]

In the end, I am not saying we should not or could not feel the pain which God feels. It's the deliberating praying to feel this pain that I have issue with.

The Bible doesn't state we should pray to be happy, either.

In fact, when Paul prayed for an end to pain ("thorn in the flesh"), the Lord refused.

You see, we aren't commanded to be joyful and sing because it's a sin to feel sad. We are exhorted to sing and rejoice lean on the Lord's jpy because we go though pain and sorrow, and this is how pain is used for His glory.

[nebula]

What Scripture do you have that states the Lord doesn't want us to share in His burden.

It's your thread. Where is your scripture?

Phil. 3:10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death,

Can one know the fellowship of His suffering without feeling pain?

[nebula]

There's lots of things the Bible never says, "Pray for . . . " that we do pray for.