What voting for a CANDIATE means

[George]

Dear brothers and sisters,

After a while all of these political threads become "uncivil" so let's talk about what you are really voting for, when you vote for a Presidential candiate.

You are voting for what kind of administration and the kind of administration a president will place into office. You are voting for what kind of judges will be appointed to the bench. What kind of people will be nominated at top security and military branches of office.

Since I have some background in DC having worked as a political consultant, I can tell you what the major difference in the two major candiates.

1st -- when Bill Clinton was in office, you couldn't find a single fundamental Bible believer in his administration.

Although the National Day of Prayer takes place every year, not a single Christian leader was ever invited to the White House on this important day when Christian leaders are assembled in DC.

2nd -- when Bill Clinton was in office -- you can't name a conservative judge appointed to the bench.

3rd -- when Bill Clinton was in office you had more generals and senior military officer resign than under any other president. The CIA was torn completely apart to the point, we didn't even have accurate intelligence concerning 9-11, or Saddam's WMD's.

A vote for Kerry will continue this type of administration.

Now in Bush's administration, there are lots of fundamental Bible believers in His administration and they are not LOCKED out of the political process unlike the previous 8 years. Every year, Christians are invited to the White House on the National Day of Prayer.

Every week, there's a conference call with major Christian leaders for their input [i know since I have sat in on several of these conference calls] which never happened under Clinton's administration.

Bush has nominated more conservative judges only to be filibustered by the Democrats -- and they are still preventing these judges to sit on the bench.

Does Bush handle things as best as I would like? Absolutely NOT!

1. Overspending, although tax revenue has INCREASED despite tax reductions they are completely offset with increased spending which needs to be tamed.

2. Certain wording concerning Islam is bothersome to me.

Now when my vote is going to count, DO I WANT MY VIEWPOINT TO BE COMPLETELY LOCKED OUT? OR DO I WANT AT LEAST MY VIEW TO BE HEARD?

That's really what you are voting for.

Your brother in Christ with much agape love,

George

[Guest LadyC]

i want mine to be heard, george, which is why i too will vote again for bush.

thanks for the perspective!

[JohnS]

Thanks George!

No one seems to be interested in the facts, just the rumors.

[Trinity]

Amen Thank God for Bush! if he losses the Elections im moving to the mountains

[Steff]

Bush has nominated more conservative judges only to be filibustered by the Democrats -- and they are still preventing these judges to sit on the bench.

It's a sad day when people cheer actions like this. Judges should be completely impartial. While I know it's not an easy feat, the activist judge problem cannot be "Fought' by appointing more conservative ones. The actions must be fought by congress passing laws on what judges may preside over. If judges were to stick to enforcing the laws and constitution ONLY we wouldn't have this problem, no matter the judges view.

Now in Bush's administration, there are lots of fundamental Bible believers in His administration and they are not LOCKED out of the political process unlike the previous 8 years. Every year, Christians are invited to the White House on the National Day of Prayer.

Every week, there's a conference call with major Christian leaders for their input [i know since I have sat in on several of these conference calls] which never happened under Clinton's administration.

Just because he takes their input doesn't mean he values their opinion for anything more than preaching what Christians want to hear. I'm sorry but I judge Bush on his actions not on promises or statements after all we've had 4 years to judge him on those and the results are not encouraging.

Now when my vote is going to count, DO I WANT MY VIEWPOINT TO BE COMPLETELY LOCKED OUT? OR DO I WANT AT LEAST MY VIEW TO BE HEARD?

But that is based on a false premise, by saying this you are voting for someone who you know is not the best canidate for the job but because you think they might win you'll vote for them. I refuse to vote for someone who will ruin this country.

[other one]

Steff, I agree.

Looking into the speakers of the upcoming GOP convention, it seems that all the key speakers are both pro abortion and pro gay. I find that a bit bothersome since he claims to be a dedicated Christian.

Like several of us has said in the past his association with Skull and Bones and the Bohemian grove is another thing that bothers me greatly. I've seen video tape of the "Cremation of Care" ritual that those people carry out every year and it is very bothersome to me with him (Bush) claiming to be such a strong Christian.

he puts us a good front, but many others in the past have done that same and ended up not being what they say.

I have read much on this board as to what he has said and people who he has listened to, but what has he done. I believe Jesus told us to judge people by their fruits and not by there speech or who they listen to.

About his cabinet, what do we know about them. dick C., Paul W., John A., Carl R., Condelisa R. Carl R. who are these people, where do they come from, what are their beliefs. Are they the kinds of people who a born again would associate himself with, or are they more of the same Skull and Bones, and Bohemian grove crowd that burn mock sacrifices to the pagan gods.

It all wouldn't bother me so much if he were not making such a deal out of being a christian..... something is just wrong and it is in a very dangerous time for our nation and it's future.

Sam

[Guest Called]

It all wouldn't bother me so much if he were not making such a deal out of being a christian..... something is just wrong and it is in a very dangerous time for our nation and it's future.

Well then, I guess it is a good thing that God is in control no matter who is in the White House.

[papasangel]

I have yet to see any judge wether conservative, liberal or whatever be impartial. No such creature exists. When I vote I will vote for Bush because at least my voice will be heard and not ignored totally. I agree with George that Bush has handled things sometimes not to my liking either but at least he does something. He needs to concetrate on bringing the deficit down for sure but not at the sacrafice of our national security. Its a hard job he has and his advisors are telling him things slanted the way they believe it ought to be handled. Removing our military men and women from one station to another just adds to the problem.

[CarolineS]

That's right, It doesn't matter who wins because God has a plan. Everything will go according to His plan no matter who wins the election. That's why I don't get so worked up over politics or upcoming elections.

Of course I think it's important to know what's going on around you, and always vote; but I don't worry about elections like I used to. God has a plan and everything is right on schedule.

Just my 2cents.

In Christ,

CarolineS

[Trinity]

I find that a bit bothersome since he claims to be a dedicated Christian.

Did Jesus turn the sinners away? No. And This is America they are americans and they have just as much as right as you do, because you are just as much a sinner then the Gays.

Ps. i don't support Gays actions.