PENTECOSTALISM

[Jedi4Yahweh]

Well, even Jesus' miracles were accused of as being from the Devil - so....

Exactlly,

I have noticed that people including Christians if something does not fit their traditional theology they automatically label it of the Devil. Jesus warned the Pharisees for saying that he did the miracles by the power of the Devil. He told them that they were not speaking against him but they were speaking and blaspheming the Holy Spirit that works the miracles.

We must be careful how we speak against things we do not understand. We maybe speaking against the Holy Spirit which is Blasphemy and that will put you in danger of Hell. Jesus said you can say all kind of evil things about me but if you speak against the Holy Spirit your doomed.

Mar 3:22-30 Some teachers of the Law of Moses came from Jerusalem and said, "This man is under the power of Beelzebub, the ruler of demons! He is even forcing out demons with the help of Beelzebub." (23) Jesus told the people to gather around him. Then he spoke to them in riddles and said: How can Satan force himself out? (24) A nation whose people fight each other won't last very long. (25) And a family that fights won't last long either. (26) So if Satan fights against himself, that will be the end of him. (27) How can anyone break into the house of a strong man and steal his things, unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can take everything. (28) I promise you that any of the sinful things you say or do can be forgiven, no matter how terrible those things are. (29) But if you speak against the Holy Spirit, you can never be forgiven. That sin will be held against you forever. (30) Jesus said this because the people were saying that he had an evil spirit in him.

I have learned to keep my trap shout when I see things I simply do not have a biblical answer for. Even if I do have a "biblical" answer I could still be wrong and speak against the Holy Spirit. Just let God be God and don't put him a religious box like the Pharisees were doing.

God bless,

[stevehut]

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I didn't know that wide acceptance equaled truth.

Nope.

Not asking about wide acceptance. Just any acceptance.

[BobTriez]

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[AllforJesustheLord]

Tongues can be a language of man, which is of this earth, or a language of angels, which is languages which people do not know.

If we get baptized in The Holy Spirit the proof is in Acts, either we will pray in different tongues, and/or prophecy.

[WayneB]

Tongues can be a language of man, which is of this earth, or a language of angels, which is languages which people do not know.

If we get baptized in The Holy Spirit the proof is in Acts, either we will pray in different tongues, and/or prophecy.

No offense intended but that is an entire different discussion regarding tongues or prophecy being the initial evidence of the Baptism (indwelling/infilling) of the Holy Spirit. This discussion of Steve's thread is regarding whether or not the sign gifts are still active today. As I have shared with Steve, I believe they are...all of the gifts are active because PERFECTION has not yet come. On the other hand, I do NOT believe that any one gift means more than another nor that one is the initial evidence. All the GIFTS come from ONE SPIRIT! The HOLY SPIRIT is manifested in many ways and not just tongues and prophecy. Regardless, that is completely different topic.

Sorry Steve if I went off topic for a post.

Be Blessed,

Wayne

[stevehut]

I do NOT believe that any one gift means more than another nor that one is the initial evidence. All the GIFTS come from ONE SPIRIT!

No need to apologize, you just addressed another of my concerns.

And at last, I agree! :cheesy:

[WayneB]

I do NOT believe that any one gift means more than another nor that one is the initial evidence.  All the GIFTS come from ONE SPIRIT!

No need to apologize, you just addressed another of my concerns.

And at last, I agree! :cheesy:

Be Blessed brother!

[Nero's Fiddle]

Never mind... it has already been said...

(By the way, Scudbuddy, I'm not a "he". )

With all the love I have in Christ, :il:

NF

Edited August 26, 2004 by Nero's Fiddle

[Arthur Durnan]

Why all the fuss about "tongues", better, languages in the Bible? ALL biblical "tongues", better, languages, are KNOWN, UNDERSTOOD, EARTHLY & NATIONAL DIALECTS....and never once "unknown tongues." In fact, as we already must know, the very word "unknown" does not appear in the original Greek in 1 Corinthians. Very interesting indeed.

Nowhere are we told to wait, wait, wait and pray, pray, pray today in order to receive an infusion of an "unknown" tongue as "initial evidence of Holy Spirit baptism." Nowhere. This "unknown tongues" and "initial evidence" are matters pertaining solely to the denominational distinctives of the Pentecostal folk. The very term employed over & over again by our Pentecostal friends, ie, "slain the Spirit," appears NOWHERE in Holy Writ. Nowhere.

Even our most noble, most outstanding & most holy Lord & Saviour Jesus Christ never once "spoke in tongues" save an UNDERSTOOD, KNOWN, EARTHLY dialect such as Aramaic, Hebrew, etc. And, of course, the world's greatest evangelist (next to the Apostle Paul in my estimation, Billy Graham) never once "spoke in tongues", yet he has led more people to saving faith in Christ than perhaps any other man - outside of the Apostle Paul - that has ever lived! All WITHOUT "tongues" or "initial evidence". Amazing. And not without tremendous significance re the issue under consideration.

Thank You, Lord Jesus!

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[BobTriez]

And, of course, the world's greatest evangelist (next to the Apostle Paul in my estimation, Billy Graham) never once "spoke in tongues", yet he has led more people to saving faith in Christ than perhaps any other man - outside of the Apostle Paul - that has ever lived! All WITHOUT "tongues" or "initial evidence".

How do you know ?

In Him,

Bob