The Pre-trib Fallacy

[dgolvach]

Well since Revelation reveals there is a "first" and "second" resurrection, the first being of the saints of God BEFORE the Millineal reign of Christ, and the last being of the "rest of the dead" AFTER the Millineal reign of Christ, and Thes. is the only place in the whole Bible that speak of a "rapture" or "catching away" and IT occurs AFTER the FIRST resurrection, then how do you get 3 raptures?

SIMPLE! I'm John Kerry........

In truth...I don't have a clue

Dan....

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings John 3:16,

the prince that shall destroy the city and sanctuary (A.D 70 Rome) will in the end times with a flood come against Jerusalem. What are your thoughts on this?

The above all took place at 70 A.D. The Temple shall remain desolate (utterly destroyed) even unto the very end and the completing of the Daniel 9 covenant with Israel.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[J.C.]

I have read a lot of these threads about per,mid, and post trib, and I must say it saddens me. It seems that a lot of Christians are getting angry at each other over this subject, why? I could be wrong and maybe just taking it the wrong way, but it looks to be that there is a lot of anger on this subject. I have seen Christians judge other Chirstian just because they beleive in something alittle different than the other. This should not happen, we sould not judge, we have no place to judge others. If I have been taking this worng I am sorry. How are we to Glorify God if we are fighting with each other? Fighting amongst ourselves will distroy our fellowship with each other, and that is what Satan wants. Sure you can disagree but that is know reason to fight with each other. There also could be non-believers reading these posts, and they could be turned away when they see Chirstians fighting with each other.

If I have took this the wrong way, I am truly sorry. But it does look like there are angry arguments going on.

In Christ's Love,

J.C.

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings J.C.

I have read a lot of these threads about per,mid, and post trib, and I must say it saddens me. It seems that a lot of Christians are getting angry at each other over this subject, why? I could be wrong and maybe just taking it the wrong way, but it looks to be that there is a lot of anger on this subject. I have seen Christians judge other Chirstian just because they beleive in something alittle different than the other. This should not happen, we sould not judge, we have no place to judge others. If I have been taking this worng I am sorry. How are we to Glorify God if we are fighting with each other? Fighting amongst ourselves will distroy our fellowship with each other, and that is what Satan wants. Sure you can disagree but that is know reason to fight with each other. There also could be non-believers reading these posts, and they could be turned away when they see Chirstians fighting with each other.

I too would like to see us "walking together in agreement", but as you can see through your looks at the Eschatology Forum, this is one particular area that basically fundamental, evangelical type Christians have a great disagreement as to what eschatology is all about. The "title" of this thread should clue you in to the fact that I personally, and there are several others, who find the notion of a pre-trib rapture to be anathema to the scriptures. You may want to give the following verses some very deep consideration:

1 Cor 15:12-19 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: 14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

This is all about the RESURRECTION, and OUR resurrection, which is in the LAST DAYS. How much SHOULD we know about it? If ONLY in THIS LIFE we are benefited by Christ, then WHAT GOOD IS CHRISTIANITY? This is only TEMPORARY, we are NOT of THIS world, but look forward to OUR ETERNAL HOME with Christ Jesus.

Besides, this argument has been going on since the Lord's day, and it is not expected to change any time soon, that is, UNTIL the Lord comes. So if you would rather not see these types of heated debates, it probably would behoove you or anyone to frequent only those forums you feel most comfortable with.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[J.C.]

Umm... I Know Jesus rose three days after the Cross. If that did not happen then there could be no life after death. Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior, and I put total faith in Him.

In Christ's Love,

J.C.

[John3;16]

Dad Ernie

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the prince that shall destroy the city and sanctuary (A.D 70 Rome) will in the end times with a flood come against Jerusalem. What are your thoughts on this? 

The above all took place at 70 A.D. The Temple shall remain desolate (utterly destroyed) even unto the very end and the completing of the Daniel 9 covenant with Israel.

They call it Apologetics ( defence of you faith) your whole faith.

It would seem that the point of contention is: who is the kingdom of the North?

Who do you believe it is? From scripture it appears to be the revived Roman Empire, which would point to Euro, but Rome did not conquire Germany, and some other european nations, and they did conquire many Arab nations, so Europe is not necessarily a lock.

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings John 3:16,

Can you relate "the Kingdom of the North" to ANYTHING in the New Testament?

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Catsmeow]

Wow. I 'm just in such awe that I'm in the presence of those most learned souls who are the fountainhead of all wisdom.

Actually, for those so certain they "know" exactly what's going on, I must humble myself and say that I know only this: I know where I'll end up in eternity.

My focus is on obedience to Christ Jesus.

My goal is to take every thought captive to obedience to the Lord Jesus Christ.

My challenge is to love even hard-headed, opinionated persons because you're my spiritual family and God loves you deeply, (despite yourselves).

Frankly, there's a few here who could use stepping back from their prophesy studies and reread the scriptures on humility and kindness, instead of insisting on just "being right" all the time.

I know. I've just come through this valley of having to be right. I cost me dear friends and hurt feelings on both sides.

Man, does it matter whether before, during or after? You're never gonna be ready for Jesus if all you care about is being "right" and proving your point. That's called, "Pride".

And I've been very guilty of it in the past.....again, I had to be humbled in order to recognize that subtle trap of Satan.

The bible (remember that?) says to regard others BETTER than yourselves. We sure don't like that verse, do we?

Play nice, okay?

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Catsmeow,

Do you peak your head into this part of the forum just to criticize those of us who believe it is important to UNDERSTAND this promise:

Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Or are you sincerely interested in "being blessed"? If this is the case, you may want to intensify this area of study IN THE BIBLE so that YOU TOO can be blessed.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Catsmeow]

DE: I think the spirit in which people are "teaching" others is nasty.

I can't tolerate wallowing in the mudslinging of Christians who don't agree or like each other's understanding of scripture.

There's a diplomatic way of handling things...and frankly, brother...you haven't seemed too charitable lately.

I had to learn the hard way that "being right" isn't always the right thing to do. Being an example of Christ is.

I'm guilty of this in the past and praise God am learning that's NOT the way to get your point across.