Resurrection of MILLENNIAL Saints?

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Kinnear,

I once had an aunt who lived in Kinnear, Wyoming - population 16.

The rapture theory postulates that folk will be taken to heaven. (The heaven of God's throne:just to clarify which of the three Biblical heavens we are talking about). The scripture you quoted does not say they will be raptured to that heaven. But that's what people insist on reading into it.

In the circles that I run, we have concluded that "we shall meet Jesus in the air" and soon thereafter, perhaps an hour(?) we descend with Him to planet earth to begin His millinneal reign. Those who think they are "raptured to God's heaven" are mistaken.

With that said, we use a term that depicts the "catching away of the saints" and it is called the "rapture", just as we have a term for the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost, it is called the "trinity".

Here are at least a few of the verses regarding the "rapture":

Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Thess 4:16-17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[WISDOM]

Greetings, Wisdom,

If you looked carefully at the booklet What's Ahead for America and Britain? you would have noted that it teaches that the English-speaking nations will shortly suffer utter military defeat and be taken into captivity.

That is absolutely not what British-Israelism teaches.

Yes, I am aware that people, in ignorance, label what is found on that website as British-Israelism.

bye,

Kinnear

Kinnear:

Why be so upset ("people, in ignorance") if you're not a supporter of the teachings of Herbert W. Armstrong?

Remember, you posted the website, not I.

[Matthitjah]

Hi all,

Just a question.

What if the Day of the Lord is a literal day in his sight?

Psalm 90:4, 2 Peter 3:8

If you did not take the Mark and escaped Great Tribulation and weren't taken in the Rapture after the Ressurection of the Just? You would have to be either one specific Religion that resists a mark like this,or some kind of underground black marketeer that could resist. Besides the Jew's for obvious reasons and the Christians. What other religion would resist this Mark?????

Think about that one specific Religion. Could they be tricked by Satan at the end into going against Jesus and the Saint's?

I Love questions it makes one think and search.

Peace

:inlove: Amen

[WISDOM]

Greetings Wisdom,

My question centers around an actual Millennium Kingdom.

[Guest kinnear]

Hi Wisdom,

Why be so upset ("people, in ignorance")

No, I am not upset at all. Definitely not "so upset".

I actually do agree with the majority of what Herbert Armstrong taught. However, he did not teach British-Israelism though many do, in ignorance, label what he taught as B-I.

Dad Ernie,

In the circles that I run, we have concluded that "we shall meet Jesus in the air" and soon thereafter, perhaps an hour(?) we descend with Him to planet earth to begin His millinneal reign. Those who think they are "raptured to God's heaven" are mistaken.

Absolutely correct. However, let's go all the way with accuracy and attach the biblical label to this event ie. "the first resurrection" and get rid of the unbiblical term "the Rapture". Then there will be less confusion.

Ah, about that Trinity......No, another time and place.

[wordsower]

Please cite the "evidence that there will be Saints who die in the Millennium. I cannot refute this unless you show me the scriptures I am refuting.

Isaiah 65:20

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Wisdom,

You SPECIFICALLY said that there would be SAINTS IN THE MILLINNIUM that have not died and been changed. I am asking you to cite those evidences.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Kinnear,

Absolutely correct. However, let's go all the way with accuracy and attach the biblical label to this event ie. "the first resurrection" and get rid of the unbiblical term "the Rapture". Then there will be less confusion.

The term "resurrection" has to do with the raising of the DEAD. There are also those who "are alive and remain" at His coming. I see no problem with referring to that "catching away" as "the rapture". It is a common term which most people understand. But it has to be clarified and explained to those who are willing to have ears to hear and eyes to see.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Adstar]

Hello Kinnear

Now from you first post:

Greetings Wisdom, you wrote

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Scripture is silent about a "rapture" of living saints at the end of the Millennial Kingdom

Yes, you are right. But more than that, Scripture is silent about a rapture at any time.

I took from your statement:

"Scripture is silent about a rapture at any time."

That you did not believe there was any scriptural support for a rapture can you understand why I would interprit your statement that way?

From my reply to this statement you replied:

Adstar, you wrote

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Luke 17: 34-3634I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. 35Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. 36Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left." Sounds like a rapture type event to me?

The rapture theory postulates that folk will be taken to heaven. (The heaven of God's throne:just to clarify which of the three Biblical heavens we are talking about). The scripture you quoted does not say they will be raptured to that heaven. But that's what people insist on reading into it.

Now I am in confusion about your position.

Is you position:

1) That there will be no such thing as a rapture and the scriptures do not support this doctrine.

or

2) That there will be a rapture but those raptured will not be raptured into heaven.

From my view there is a big difference between the two stances. Which one is yours  

Blessings to you Kinnear

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

[WISDOM]

Please cite the "evidence that there will be Saints who die in the Millennium. I cannot refute this unless you show me the scriptures I am refuting.

Isaiah 65:20

Thanks wordsower, but DE already saw that one mentioned in my very first post. :thumb: