OP: WikiLeaks an act of war, and US does nothing

[other one]

I keep getting the nagging feeling that something will happen to Assange......there are too many goverrnments who are extremely angry over this. Some of those governments are not like those in the west. I hope I'm wrong; he needs to be in jail though.

Be in jail for what? how can they jail him without doing the same to the new york times people who published the stuff also. hillary is the person most damaged by this from what I've seen, and she has just stated that this is her last public job..... Who's behind wilileaks? Who set it up and funded it? that's what we need to know....

[georgedrw81]

Most of the things we read are not suprising. Humans conspiring and intrigue. A quick read of the Bible and everything becomes clear.

Blessings

[Burning_Ember]

There you have it. There's nothing that will be leaked that is really going to hurt anything. None of it is any big deal. Otherwise, it would have been stopped.

That is incorrect. Here is why.

Apply Game Theory. Assange controls the rules of the game. The losing move (or most damaging) is if America were to actually arrest him and put him on trial. I'll explain that in a minute.

What has been leaked thus far are just diplomatic cables, and not the most damaging ones, to be sure. 1K / 250K+. A fraction of a percent.

If Assange is brought before a court, killed, or assaulted, or access to cables currently out is blocked, among other things, he (or someone else) will release an key that will decrypt a large cache of files that has already been distributed. It includes ALL the cables, and much more unrelated material. Nobody really knows for certain. Reasonable speculation implies that one small portion of that data would take down a Major US Bank. I have no clue what data is in that file, as it is nearly impossible to decrypt, even with a supercomputer.

ANY move that would take Assange out of the game releases a Massive, Destructive Cache of Data. It is without a doubt, a major losing move.

Assuming that the chaos wrought from that release could be managed, that only makes a terrible situation much worse. Assange is only one person. Wikileaks has other major people, and many, many volunteers. You can't arrest hundreds of people across the world and prevent all their data getting out at the same time.

Even if it can be pretended that you could arrest hundreds of people across the world, his movement has garnered a very disproportiante amount of sympathy for the cause of government transparency, no matter the cost. He will be made a martyr that even otherwise reasonable people could possibly relate to.

The new game called Wikileaks would become much, much more popular. But all of these outcomes would be because of making a series f disastrous losing moves.

To Quote Wargames, the only winning move is not to play. I see no possible move that could change the terms of the game, and it is Assange who has the real power on the field.

[Matthitjah]

There you have it. There's nothing that will be leaked that is really going to hurt anything. None of it is any big deal. Otherwise, it would have been stopped.

That is incorrect. Here is why.

Apply Game Theory. Assange controls the rules of the game. The losing move (or most damaging) is if America were to actually arrest him and put him on trial. I'll explain that in a minute.

What has been leaked thus far are just diplomatic cables, and not the most damaging ones, to be sure. 1K / 250K+. A fraction of a percent.

If Assange is brought before a court, killed, or assaulted, or access to cables currently out is blocked, among other things, he (or someone else) will release an key that will decrypt a large cache of files that has already been distributed. It includes ALL the cables, and much more unrelated material. Nobody really knows for certain. Reasonable speculation implies that one small portion of that data would take down a Major US Bank. I have no clue what data is in that file, as it is nearly impossible to decrypt, even with a supercomputer.

ANY move that would take Assange out of the game releases a Massive, Destructive Cache of Data. It is without a doubt, a major losing move.

Assuming that the chaos wrought from that release could be managed, that only makes a terrible situation much worse. Assange is only one person. Wikileaks has other major people, and many, many volunteers. You can't arrest hundreds of people across the world and prevent all their data getting out at the same time.

Even if it can be pretended that you could arrest hundreds of people across the world, his movement has garnered a very disproportiante amount of sympathy for the cause of government transparency, no matter the cost. He will be made a martyr that even otherwise reasonable people could possibly relate to.

The new game called Wikileaks would become much, much more popular. But all of these outcomes would be because of making a series f disastrous losing moves.

To Quote Wargames, the only winning move is not to play. I see no possible move that could change the terms of the game, and it is Assange who has the real power on the field.

So, we should just let evil go unchecked because the consequences of dealing with it are too dangerous? Sounds like our current strategy concerning Iran and world politics. It ain't working.

[Matthitjah]

Here's what the Word of God suggest's;

Isa 35:3

Strengthen you the weak hands, and make firm the feeble knees.

Isa 35:4

Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompense; he will come and save you.

And......

Joe 2:12

[Guest]

Cass Sustine was involved in the companies that financed the start of Wikileaks which puts the progressives of our country and friends of our administration at it's core...... There is much much more to this than meets the eye.

I'd bet coffee for a week that it will end up in them trying to severely restrict internet freedom before it's over.

ding! . . . ding! . . . ding! . . . We have a winner! My thoughts exactly. Wikileaks and the tax thing . . . something fishy is going on here.

[Burning_Ember]

There you have it. There's nothing that will be leaked that is really going to hurt anything. None of it is any big deal. Otherwise, it would have been stopped.

That is incorrect. Here is why.

Apply Game Theory. Assange controls the rules of the game. The losing move (or most damaging) is if America were to actually arrest him and put him on trial. I'll explain that in a minute.

What has been leaked thus far are just diplomatic cables, and not the most damaging ones, to be sure. 1K / 250K+. A fraction of a percent.

If Assange is brought before a court, killed, or assaulted, or access to cables currently out is blocked, among other things, he (or someone else) will release an key that will decrypt a large cache of files that has already been distributed. It includes ALL the cables, and much more unrelated material. Nobody really knows for certain. Reasonable speculation implies that one small portion of that data would take down a Major US Bank. I have no clue what data is in that file, as it is nearly impossible to decrypt, even with a supercomputer.

ANY move that would take Assange out of the game releases a Massive, Destructive Cache of Data. It is without a doubt, a major losing move.

Assuming that the chaos wrought from that release could be managed, that only makes a terrible situation much worse. Assange is only one person. Wikileaks has other major people, and many, many volunteers. You can't arrest hundreds of people across the world and prevent all their data getting out at the same time.

Even if it can be pretended that you could arrest hundreds of people across the world, his movement has garnered a very disproportiante amount of sympathy for the cause of government transparency, no matter the cost. He will be made a martyr that even otherwise reasonable people could possibly relate to.

The new game called Wikileaks would become much, much more popular. But all of these outcomes would be because of making a series f disastrous losing moves.

To Quote Wargames, the only winning move is not to play. I see no possible move that could change the terms of the game, and it is Assange who has the real power on the field.

So, we should just let evil go unchecked because the consequences of dealing with it are too dangerous? Sounds like our current strategy concerning Iran and world politics. It ain't working.

The consequences of "dealing with this" is that the situation is made hundreds of times worse, and you create another half a dozen wikileaks. There is no action that can be taken that could remedy the situation short of a massive restriction of information flow. If you shut down the Internet, phone services, cell phones, any electronic data transmission the world over, the best case scenario is the damage is delayed and mitigated to some minor extent.

I don't think you understand what "fighting" this is. Fighting this is a futile at best action.

This is not like Iran, where you could strike nuclear facilities and halt the ability to produce a WMD.

The WMD is information, and you can take no action that will stop it. These are literally, the only two real options.

1. Try to stop it. Problem being, that is impossible. Worldwide economic and civil unrest. Several major banks and businesses collapse. There is a possibility of government instability, or war.

2. Do nothing.

This isn't some romanticized thing where you can stop the evil bad guy who wants to destroy America.

There is no possible action that could result in America winning like we wish it would.

[Matthitjah]

There you have it. There's nothing that will be leaked that is really going to hurt anything. None of it is any big deal. Otherwise, it would have been stopped.

That is incorrect. Here is why.

Apply Game Theory. Assange controls the rules of the game. The losing move (or most damaging) is if America were to actually arrest him and put him on trial. I'll explain that in a minute.

What has been leaked thus far are just diplomatic cables, and not the most damaging ones, to be sure. 1K / 250K+. A fraction of a percent.

If Assange is brought before a court, killed, or assaulted, or access to cables currently out is blocked, among other things, he (or someone else) will release an key that will decrypt a large cache of files that has already been distributed. It includes ALL the cables, and much more unrelated material. Nobody really knows for certain. Reasonable speculation implies that one small portion of that data would take down a Major US Bank. I have no clue what data is in that file, as it is nearly impossible to decrypt, even with a supercomputer.

ANY move that would take Assange out of the game releases a Massive, Destructive Cache of Data. It is without a doubt, a major losing move.

Assuming that the chaos wrought from that release could be managed, that only makes a terrible situation much worse. Assange is only one person. Wikileaks has other major people, and many, many volunteers. You can't arrest hundreds of people across the world and prevent all their data getting out at the same time.

Even if it can be pretended that you could arrest hundreds of people across the world, his movement has garnered a very disproportiante amount of sympathy for the cause of government transparency, no matter the cost. He will be made a martyr that even otherwise reasonable people could possibly relate to.

The new game called Wikileaks would become much, much more popular. But all of these outcomes would be because of making a series f disastrous losing moves.

To Quote Wargames, the only winning move is not to play. I see no possible move that could change the terms of the game, and it is Assange who has the real power on the field.

So, we should just let evil go unchecked because the consequences of dealing with it are too dangerous? Sounds like our current strategy concerning Iran and world politics. It ain't working.

The consequences of "dealing with this" is that the situation is made hundreds of times worse, and you create another half a dozen wikileaks. There is no action that can be taken that could remedy the situation short of a massive restriction of information flow. If you shut down the Internet, phone services, cell phones, any electronic data transmission the world over, the best case scenario is the damage is delayed and mitigated to some minor extent.

I don't think you understand what "fighting" this is. Fighting this is a futile at best action.

This is not like Iran, where you could strike nuclear facilities and halt the ability to produce a WMD.

The WMD is information, and you can take no action that will stop it. These are literally, the only two real options.

1. Try to stop it. Problem being, that is impossible. Worldwide economic and civil unrest. Several major banks and businesses collapse. There is a possibility of government instability, or war.

2. Do nothing.

This isn't some romanticized thing where you can stop the evil bad guy who wants to destroy America.

There is no possible action that could result in America winning like we wish it would.

Then there's also hit your knee's and repent. Take the consequences of your sin in your hands and own up to the whirlwind that you've reaped praying all along that the Lord will be Merciful.

However, it's not likely that the current administration here will do anything at all. Especially when Cass Sunstein is complicite in it and heads up the regulation of such things by fiat holding a non binding extra Constitutional position.

[Burning_Ember]

Then there's also hit your knee's and repent. Take the consequences of your sin in your hands and own up to the whirlwind that you've reaped praying all along that the Lord will be Merciful.

However, it's not likely that the current administration here will do anything at all. Especially when Cass Sunstein is complicite in it and heads up the regulation of such things by fiat holding a non binding extra Constitutional position.

Choosing an extremely destructive option, and gambling the fate of the world on the hope that things will work out is not something a world leader will do, and fairly understandably so.

[Matthitjah]

Then there's also hit your knee's and repent. Take the consequences of your sin in your hands and own up to the whirlwind that you've reaped praying all along that the Lord will be Merciful.

However, it's not likely that the current administration here will do anything at all. Especially when Cass Sunstein is complicite in it and heads up the regulation of such things by fiat holding a non binding extra Constitutional position.

Choosing an extremely destructive option, and gambling the fate of the world on the hope that things will work out is not something a world leader will do, and fairly understandably so.

So you then have a misunderstanding of whom the God of Israel really is?

He is the God who parts the Red Sea.

He is the God who created the heavens and the earth.

He is the God who made you and me.

He is the God who calls things into being that are not even as though they were.

He raises the dead.

Make the Blind to see, the dumb to speak, and the deaf to hear.

He is the God who brings Light to the darkness and exposes the deepest of shameful sins, like;

Abortion

Homosexual Marriage

Idolatry

etc ad nauseum......................................

Dear Lord Jesus increase our Faith.