question about pastor

[Jedi4Yahweh]

however, of course, if he was in prayer, he does not need an interpreter

Then he shouldn't be doing it in the church.

The Church is called an House of Prayer why should we not be able to pray in the house of prayer?

[BobTriez]

however, of course, if he was in prayer, he does not need an interpreter

Then he shouldn't be doing it in the church.

Steve, your motives are all wrong! You go to church to see what you can get out of it don't you ?

Guess what.....it's not about you.....it's not about me....it's all about worshiping God. So do tell me how YOU can say what is appropriate for worship ?!?!? How do YOU determine what one can and can not do in Church to worship God ? I suggest you read the entire book of Psalms. It is a beautiful worship guide. But if it doesn't conform to a church's "doctrine" we throw the Bible out if favour of rules and regulations ? Yeah......

If you don't want to believe in Spiritual Gifts, that's up to you, but for those of us who do ? Don't make mockery of the Holy Spirit....please.

God bless,

Bob

[Speechless]

however, of course, if he was in prayer, he does not need an interpreter

Then he shouldn't be doing it in the church.

The Church is called an House of Prayer why should not be able to pray in the house of prayer.?

ditto what Jedi said. there is a difference between giving a word to the church in tongues, where you need an interpreter, and praying in tongues. and if you dont know the difference, then you shouldnt be criticizing others.

[Guest DivineLadyB]

What you have to realize is that your pastor may be giving thanks to the Lord for revelation. That's where the speaking in tongues comes from. It sounds like he may be thanking / praising God for giving him revelation during his sermon. I see that happening all the time.

Now if he is delivering his whole sermon in the spirit, then you will need an interpretor there to tell you what is being said. I hope this helps you. Also do as the other posters have suggested and speak with your pastor. It sounds like you need a lesson in the gift of tongues.

[pamjane]

If you don't want to believe in Spiritual Gifts, that's up to you, but for those of us who do ?

Edited September 6, 2004 by pamjane

[BobTriez]

If you don't want to believe in Spiritual Gifts, that's up to you, but for those of us who do ?

[Guest Eyes2See]

If he's speaking in a "tongue" that no one can understand then you can bet he's a con artist. When the Holy Spirit speaks ALL understand regardless of the tongue (language) spoken. Acts chapter 10 refers to the speaking of tongues. If it were the Holy Spirit speaking to the congregation then not one person in the audience would misunderstand what was being spoken. If you have a pastor that is doing this then get thee out of that church for it is not Christianity that is being taught but most likely an economics course in how to make that pastors wallet fatter. The scriptures below have to do in part with tongue used as language. In other words your native tongue. In Acts they are astonished because the Spirit spoke one voice but was understood by all who heard it. If you only speak English and you went to a church that spoke Greek or German etc, you wouldn't even know when to say Amen.That is what I Corinthians 14 is talking about. Using an interpreter. And for a witness from the old testament Genesis 10:5 speaks of God dividing tongues (languages). It's real simple for Christians to understand, when the Holy Spirit speaks, ALL will hear and understand what is said, regardless of your native tongue.

1 Corinthians 14

4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?

8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.

10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.

11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.

12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.

18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.

21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:

25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.

31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

ACTS CHAPTER 10

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[Guest Called]

If he's speaking in a "tongue" that no one can understand then you can bet he's a con artist. When the Holy Spirit speaks ALL understand regardless of the tongue (language) spoken. Acts chapter 10 refers to the speaking of tongues. If it were the Holy Spirit speaking to the congregation then not one person in the audience would misunderstand what was being spoken. If you have a pastor that is doing this then get thee out of that church for it is not Christianity that is being taught but most likely an economics course in how to make that pastors wallet fatter. The scriptures below have to do in part with tongue used as language. In other words your native tongue. In Acts they are astonished because the Spirit spoke one voice but was understood by all who heard it. If you only speak English and you went to a church that spoke Greek or German etc, you wouldn't even know when to say Amen.That is what I Corinthians 14 is talking about. Using an interpreter. And for a witness from the old testament Genesis 10:5 speaks of God dividing tongues (languages). It's real simple for Christians to understand, when the Holy Spirit speaks, ALL will hear and understand what is said, regardless of your native tongue.

1 Corinthians 14

4  He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

5  I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

6  Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

7  And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?

8  For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

9  So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.

10  There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.

11  Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.

12  Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

13  Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

14  For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

15  What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

16  Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

17  For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.

18  I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

19  Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

20  Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.

21  In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

22  Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

23  If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

24  But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:

25  And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

26  How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

27  If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

28  But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

29  Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

30  If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.

31  For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

32  And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

34  Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

35  And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

36  What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

37  If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

38  But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

39  Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

40  Let all things be done decently and in order.

ACTS CHAPTER 10

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[ted]

(although I could be wrong! I am just a blue peon  ),

No, Called. You are so much more than that!

Lift your royal head up!

t.

[irishcowboy]

I believe if you ask to meet with the pastor, i would say your pastor would accomidate you....... i would thou, ask another lady to go along with you....

the way I would aproach it, is with the spirit of learning, and tell him up front that you dont understand what is happening, and that you are not setting easy with it....

I feel that if your pastor is genuine with you he will be happy to help you learn, or maybe even understand it more......

some times the sound control booth workers dont always get the mic muted on time either.... some times the pastor will forget to mute it on his end too....

when I was running the sound and video, there had been minor errors made also...

but one error that was not allowed was to leave the lapel mic at the onset of the alter call..... that was a big NO NO.... there were times i would shut the lapel mic off too early and have the pulpit mic on ( dual mic for a time ) and that would be the hint to the pastor, that he was no longer on roam.... but the hand held wireless was availible and so were the other stage mics...... the pastor was pleased with this arrangement......

again thou, I would ask to have some time with the pastor, to approach him about this issue, we sure do not want some one being confussed about something..... and i am sure the pastor will want to clear it up with you also.....

I know i would want to clear it up with some one if they did not understand, or if what I said was confussing....

mike