death: a sneak peak into the afterlife?

[enoob57]

So - does anyone question whether or not someone has been brought back from the dead? Or just that they "saw" something while dead?

Did God make a mistake when Lazarus died? (just asking)

And we know, from scripture, that while yet alive some have seen glimpses into the kingdom - into the spiritual realm.

I personally don't question people being brought back to life, we see it in the news all the time, what I question is people who say they've been to heaven or hell and back.

Catching a glimpse of the spiritual kingdom is not the same as being there.

If people want to believe this stuff, that's fine with me, I'm not saying they shouldn't or can't. I got my own walk to walk. I believe by faith, I don't need proof.

2 Thess. 2

11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,

These are going to be some interesting times. I'm glad I'm gonna miss it.

That is sauce for the goose! Love Steven

[nebula]

The simplicity of this exceeds the greatest of minds for we were born in the system of learning through the corporeal... yet to get to God we are to go through Scripture by drinking in the jot and tittle and eating the bread of His presence bringing about faith which precedes the corporeal and exceeds the cosmos of now unto a new beginning... Rev 22

Think of the miracle that we truly set within - that of time- our existence is of the immediate which quickly passes out of our control into the histories and that which is coming unto us is but an instant in coming... the greater the focus upon the moment of presence of present between that which is past to that which is not yet come somehow we stand accountable and that is life in this shadow of light

But how does this answer the question:

Why does having a near death experience have to be about proof or faith?

[goldust59]

So - does anyone question whether or not someone has been brought back from the dead? Or just that they "saw" something while dead?

Did God make a mistake when Lazarus died? (just asking)

And we know, from scripture, that while yet alive some have seen glimpses into the kingdom - into the spiritual realm.

I personally don't question people being brought back to life, we see it in the news all the time, what I question is people who say they've been to heaven or hell and back.

Catching a glimpse of the spiritual kingdom is not the same as being there.

If people want to believe this stuff, that's fine with me, I'm not saying they shouldn't or can't. I got my own walk to walk. I believe by faith, I don't need proof.

2 Thess. 2

11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,

These are going to be some interesting times. I'm glad I'm gonna miss it.

That is sauce for the goose! Love Steven

man, why have you used 2 Thess 2:11 in your post? Are you implying that the people that believe in near death experiences are not saved & have pleasure in unrighteousness? If that not what you meant, that scripture is out of context here.

I believed in Jesus & in heaven before the near death experience of my Mom. I didn't & don't need outside proof to know that my Redeemer lives.

[enoob57]

I believe the greatest council upon this curiosity is that of our father Abraham-

Luke 16:27-31

27 "Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.' 29 Abraham said to him, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.' 30 And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.' 31 But he said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.'"

NKJV

The simplicity of this exceeds the greatest of minds for we were born in the system of learning through the corporeal of leaven... yet to get to God we are to go through Scripture by drinking in the jot and tittle and eating the bread of His presence bringing about faith which precedes the corporeal and exceeds the cosmos of now unto a new beginning... Rev 22

Think of the miracle that we truly set within - that of time- our existence is of the immediate which quickly passes out of our control into the histories and that which is coming unto us is but an instant in coming... the greater the focus upon the moment of presence of present between that which is past to that which is not yet come somehow we stand accountable and that is life in this shadow of light

1 Cor 13:12

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

KJV

Imagine the focus of the second that last for an eternity... Love Steven

I was speaking of the above for the concern for those expressing their experiences now days (The bold and underlined) in view of these Biblical truths-> when God says that we have nothing to be able to use to express the realities of there

1 Cor 2:9-12

9 But as it is written:

"Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,Nor have entered into the heart of manThe things which God has prepared for those who love Him."

10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.

NKJV

just to focus on the radical realities of time no longer a determining factor for anything... etc... all pressures of performance to the tick of the clock removed and to meditate on the perfected realities of perfection attainable in the work of our being... Neb we can with our whole entire being perform in the perfections of Our Lord due to the harmfulness of sin completely removed... to set down to a project of work which sole purpose is to present it to Glory of God in worship and honor for the entirety of being as purposed oneness in Him Jn 17! I cannot fathom the pleasure of God in the place of total Holiness and to be able to participate in it as no longer in the leavened corporeal prison of imperfections realized as sins...

Hi Neb!

1. Why does having a near death experience have to be about proof or faith?

That was the point Abraham made that testimony of one come back from the dead and stressing what it was like so as to persuade others would have no affect... Only Scripture can establish faith! Think of all the wonderful miraculous signs Jesus performed yet more disbelieved in Him as God then those who believed. Even the greatest of miracles raising a 4 day dead rotten body back to life and a short time later hung Him on a cross as a blasphemer of God and the miracles were explained as satan's work to deceive as being wrought by a false messiah!

If spiritual experiences are discounted because they negate faith, what do you make of Paul seeing Jesus on the Road to Damascus?

What of Paul seeing a man enter Heaven?

What of John seeing Heaven?

The prophets and these you have mentioned were given this to complete the writings for which God determined the completed work of His Word....

and knowing the truth of God's revealed aspects above as nothing here to describe there... imagine the pressure of not having anything vocabulary or experiential wise to fully express what was there!

They all were overwhelmed in the realities like John falling down before angels because of the greatness of their presence and then the overwhelming task of communicating what was there with words that did not fit the actualities... but never the less written to accomplish the perfection only God could bring about in all this wonder in His Written Word....

2. Jesus raised people from the dead. What do you suppose happened to them in between death and being brought back?

I would naturally assume God would protect them from the knowledge of there and being brought back here for the sorrows alone would be truly great-> to try and explain the experience without the tools of being able to do so... dissatisfaction with ever word which falls short of the experience ever building to the frustration of inability but total desire to witness of that which would properly explain the experience... Love Steven

[Guest man]

man, why have you used 2 Thess 2:11 in your post? Are you implying that the people that believe in near death experiences are not saved & have pleasure in unrighteousness? If that not what you meant, that scripture is out of context here.

I believed in Jesus & in heaven before the near death experience of my Mom. I didn't & don't need outside proof to know that my Redeemer lives.

No.

What is the context of that verse?

[goldust59]

The people being spoken of that are sent a strong delusion are the ones that would not receive the love of the truth & be saved.

[Guest man]

The people being spoken of that are sent a strong delusion are the ones that would not receive the love of the truth & be saved.

What events are taking place at the time of this delusion?

Signs and Wonders.

The reason I brought this up is, we need to be careful about what we take to heart. Not everything is as it seems.

[Matthitjah]

The people being spoken of that are sent a strong delusion are the ones that would not receive the love of the truth & be saved.

What events are taking place at the time of this delusion?

Signs and Wonders.

The reason I brought this up is, we need to be careful about what we take to heart. Not everything is as it seems.

So Goldust hasn't received the Love of the Truth?

[goldust59]

The people being spoken of that are sent a strong delusion are the ones that would not receive the love of the truth & be saved.

What events are taking place at the time of this delusion?

Signs and Wonders.

The reason I brought this up is, we need to be careful about what we take to heart. Not everything is as it seems.

I understand about being careful of what we take to heart & that not everything is as it seems. That scripture just doesn't fit the topic to me. I have heard some pretty wild tales of near death experiences myself. However, my Mom did not claim to have been to heaven (that's what the family assumed) but she did say that she had talked to Jesus in a beautiful, bright place. All I know is that she no longer feared dying afterward. I don't believe it was satan that gave her that peace.

[Guest man]

The people being spoken of that are sent a strong delusion are the ones that would not receive the love of the truth & be saved.

What events are taking place at the time of this delusion?

Signs and Wonders.

The reason I brought this up is, we need to be careful about what we take to heart. Not everything is as it seems.

So Goldust hasn't received the Love of the Truth?

Perhaps you should read the post from which that quote/verse was taken.