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It is tenderly given in all that you have spoken of here how we have not the wisdom, in and of ourselves, to pick our way upon the individual ways our Lord has set us upon

but oh the beauty are the children of His Presence... The only risk-less choice we can choose is Him (Christ Jesus) and after chosen choose no other...

Love not the world or the things in it for Christ has spoken to us as friends and told us His plans to burn it all up and has done so that we would not place our affections upon the temporary but upon Him for the eternities... A New Place He is making Special for us His Bride....

Love Steven

i am not sure i understand that part.

after the past years and the recent increased stress on conquering fear of death... i wonder if 2011 is my year... i am by no mean ready. even as i sit here and type this i am feeling uneasy, and uneasy talking about my fear of death that is supposed to be irrational fear now and my struggles of trying to conquer this fear of death. but this is way off topic... i think its time i took my own advice i posted elsewhere and redefined my own deophobic mind.

Patience Beloved

Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. John 14:1-3

Patience

As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. Psalms 42:1

[enoob57]

It is tenderly given in all that you have spoken of here how we have not the wisdom, in and of ourselves, to pick our way upon the individual ways our Lord has set us upon

but oh the beauty are the children of His Presence... The only risk-less choice we can choose is Him (Christ Jesus) and after chosen choose no other...

Love not the world or the things in it for Christ has spoken to us as friends and told us His plans to burn it all up and has done so that we would not place our affections upon the temporary but upon Him for the eternities... A New Place He is making Special for us His Bride....

Love Steven

i am not sure i understand that part.

after the past years and the recent increased stress on conquering fear of death... i wonder if 2011 is my year... i am by no mean ready. even as i sit here and type this i am feeling uneasy, and uneasy talking about my fear of death that is supposed to be irrational fear now and my struggles of trying to conquer this fear of death. but this is way off topic... i think its time i took my own advice i posted elsewhere and redefined my own deophobic mind.

If I am understanding your mind in this word deophobic (as fear of faith_?) ... Your fears are well founded if you stand only upon what you know! When I was began in this world it became quite evident to me that the reality of the infinite was a witness of that which I myself could not attain to for I was begun... therefore outside of my own existence I needed to seek in order to gain more into the evidence that was so apparent to me as reality which was always a more outside of that which I did find... This is an endless search until you find The Endless Person Our Creator Christ Jesus into a trust that is formed within His Word a purposed trust which says this

Matt 10:28-31

28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.

KJV

When I realized that I was putting my trust into that which began (myself) I realized my mistake... I needed to let go of me and grasp Him with all my ability -but- therein again still yet a trust in me to hold on...

If you are His child by faith you will also tire of this for the fear -am I saved,,, am I not ,,, I am,,, I am not- will drive you to this

2 Peter 3:14-16

14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; 15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

NKJV

The Wonderful Foundation of His Word first and Foremost Is Him and He alone to be feared... not what I do not know is but Him Whom I do know for in Him all things are possible so witnessed by The Son! Now as a result I have focused fear and it drives me to search Him out and know Him for He alone holds the answers that I so desperately need! This is like hunger within that cannot be filled except with only that which is next in an endless build of reality of the Glories only He Holds and the beauty of the draw as those things are put into place becomes love instead of fear and trust formed in the total release of self and a laid out fully reliant being upon His Own Being-> salvation into sanctification unto the forevers of that which is yet to come... His Written Word precept upon precept line upon line are the building blocks for this your life in Him. Everyday it will be presented to take of this place (world) and add it to those blocks within your house of being but do not not for it will be required that you tear down back to that point in order to have that which shall last forever... For you see God has taught us when satan gained mastery over this world through lies and deceit God in all His Wonder redeemed only His image of breath (Spirit) from this world and a new body awaits us one that has never turned from obedience to Him and together new body and redeemed Spirit made completely new we shall be put in order to form a perfect being as a bride unto His Son... and what bride is not turned fully outward to Him who fills her every need and desire in all of what she is? I am only a small part in this beautiful woman made for the Son but as I increase in my being precept upon precept and line upon line She also is increased in the beauty of being unto Him and to Him alone unto... Love Steven

[Aleksander]

FresnoJoe.

thank you. the first passage seems to be there to comfort me in some way? thank you. but second one though, i am not sure i understand the point.

enoob57

when i said deophobic, i mean

[enoob57]

FresnoJoe.

thank you. the first passage seems to be there to comfort me in some way? thank you. but second one though, i am not sure i understand the point.

enoob57

when i said deophobic, i mean "irrational fear of God", as that was my understanding of the word. Of course, after reading this (http://blog.eriklane...hobic-mean.aspx ) i think that maybe in my case it indeed is "the irrational fear of faith in God" ... since i am not eager to make any leaps of faith. but then wouldn't this by default null my whole faith, since the whole Christian faith is based on faith in God?

I am beginning to think that maybe it is not so irrational though; i am in a middle of personal struggle with and against God over the issue of my not complete obedience to Him, particularly, there is an outstanding unfulfilled promise i made Him but still have not kept it. this is besides the fact that i have a problem with volunteering to be His slave, as all good Christians are supposed to be... while around me everything not essential to my life is crushing, and crashing, and burning. so there is the rational behind the fear... if this is how it all is before i sign up then how much worse will it be after? Satan does not support the idea of anyone becoming a voluntary anything to God, much less a slave, so that'd be equal to painting a target on my back, contract on my head, with all hell possible out to collect the bounty. and if this is His protection now, then how much safer will be when all hell possible out to collect the bounty. theoretically, safer than anywhere, He keeps His safe... but i guess since i am not safe now then i have to wonder if i am anything His... after being a professing Christian since March '03 and baptized in Sep. '04.

or if this all is not feat then whatever it is.

"If you are His child by faith you will also tire of this for the fear -am I saved,,, am I not ,,, I am,,, I am not- will drive you to this"

This what?

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[Aleksander]

a lot to do there... but thank you for the wise words, i can't deny them, so i better listen to them. and for your prayers, too, thank you. can't help but feel disgusted with myself for all the things i said... to you all and to God. i am sorry everyone for anything i said that hurt or was offensive, and for making this about me, for hijacking the topic.

and i am sorry God, for all the hurtful things i said... You are here, You never left, You take care of me and did everything needed for me, even if it don't feel that way. this time of the year, i ought to celebrate Your death on the cross for me and Your resurrection and the forgives it brings me if i confess my sins and repent. instead i am celebrating myself and my problems. thank You for your mercy and for being patient with me. i was wrong in trying to test the limit of how much i can get away with before You say "Enough!" and i was wrong in provoking You to discipline me. as You know too well, i have serious trust issues, particularly, not giving it until i know someone is worth of my devotion and trust), and this is(because of my pride) the only way i accept as a way to know if someone cares or not, trustworthy or not. this of course is wrong, i am supposed to trust easily and readily, as Christians, You children, are supposed to. and to challenge Your honesty and trustworthiness is a sin, and i should be glad that i am alive and well and just being disciplined, not killed for my, hm, disrespect, distrust, blasphemy. this should be enough evidence that i am still in Your family, for if Christ's blood was not covering death penalty for sin, i'd probably be dead already. I was afraid of since then, You know that all too well, and still am... i think. i guess this was Your way of teaching me not to be afraid of You, Your punishments(or more correctly, discipline) and not to be afraid to talk to You as frank, open, and honest as i need to be... healthy fear(respect, fear of offending or disappointing) yes, but without fear of being smitten to death for my words. frankly, how You did it is not the way i'd agree with, but i can't argue with the electiveness of how You did as it seems to have worked. i say seems because frankly i still don't trust You as i am supposed to, mainly because i am not willing to. progress in the right direction is good, glad You care to get me here(too bad about the scars though), but frankly i don't want to jump that chasm just yet. i was going to say "not yet, not with nothing to hold on to" but that'd technically be not true, since i have Your Bible, You Written Contract, to hold on to. i only reluctantly honor man's contracts, because i have to or i get nothing, and i reluctantly honor Yours. man can't be trusted, they lie, so i don't trust their contracts and hope that You'll watch out for me, look out for me, and not let me into some mess. it not fair, to say the least, to project the faults of man onto You, but while man's contract claim to be true, i still know they have disclaimers, subject to change, etc. You Contract claims to be absolutely true thought, and when i see that some things are not done yet, well, as far as i am concerned they may never get done then. Abraham was promise the promised land and he did set foot on it, but his children actually got it, technically. so You may have lots of true promises in Your Contract, but if some of them won't apply to me then how do i know all will apply, especially those that are key to survival. i hope You see my problem. i realize You demand full loyalty and faith in You, but... ah, whatever, nothing i can say after that "but" that will be right, so i better shut up and instead just jump the chasm already, blindly hoping that i'll end on the other side, somehow, instead of plummeting down into that bottomless pit or whatever that is. faith is the substance of things unseen and assurance of things hoped for, faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see(as NIV 2011 puts), but i don't have, don't want to have, the faith to jump that chasm. i'd much rather stay here and have the little i had, maybe that little will be restored to me, maybe, than to jump the chasm for that something that You say i could have that You say is better for me... bird in a hand, You know... though that's not Your words but just "wisdom" of man i guess. besides, as You already said, i have those promises to keep before anything changes. so i have no one to blame myself. i'd like to think that was not You who said that, but Your Bible is clear on my obligation of keeping promises... its unfair of me to not expect You to keep Yours because i don't keep mine, but... well, again, nothing i can say after that "but" that will be right, so i better shut up and instead just do what i promised to You that i'd do... no matter how much i don't like the potential consequences of keeping that promise... You could have found a better way to teach me about promise keeping... but then who am i to question Your wisdom... i guess lesson about promise keeping is not the only goal here, though, since so much more seems to ride on this, hm, opportunity You are presenting me with... it don't feel like an opportunity though... i am scared to go on with my saying what it feels like... instead, i should concentrate of finding ways to keep my promise... promise which, as much as i hate to admit it, i only made to get You to let me go because i didn't want to be on my knees in prayer at that particular time and You'd not let me go until i did promise it... i don't agree with being manipulated like that into doing something i don't want to be doing, literally and or figuratively washing anyone's feet... again... You used fear of death to get me to pray this sinner's prayer as people call it, then You used fear or whatever it was to get me to wash their feet once, then You manipulate my emotion so i'd make this promise and now will have to VOLUNTARILY, out of love for You and them as You say it, wash their feet, again, effectively signing myself off from being any kind of normal human and instead to be Your slave, or almost slave... i see what some of Your children go through in this life, especially closes they get to the slavery status... and i am not eager to VOLUNTARILY sign up for that... i also see some of Your children showering in Your blessings and they never even reached the point i am at(though i am only here because You tanked me all the way here... not by my own efforts)... and yeah You did come here and did wash Your disciple's feet... once... and i have to do it TWICE... yes You did come here and serve Your creation for 30 years... You were here on a mission to save the world though... i am not here to save humanity, as much as i wish to think i am or think i am like as if i am going to be used in some great way, i am not, so i don't need to be super clean piece of pottery, i think being burned once was enough, i don't need to be porcelain painted with ornaments, i'll take obscurity... it don't matter that i want to be used in big ways, its too expensive as far as i am concerned if price of being used in great ways means i have to suffer all this and lose all this... You may be infinitely rich and give infinite riches(material, spiritual, etc) to everyone, but i am not infinitely rich to pay this price, i have only so much left, i barely have anything left that was not touched yet by Your burning fire or maybe it was the fire Your former employee sent, that snake that wants nothing better than to see me dead or torn away from You... guess he's been to Your place recently, badmouthing me, and You have to prove him wrong now and i have to suffer the pain of the process... his lies mixed with truth are more important than me, i guess... we both know You could have very well just told him which part of what he said was true and what was false... yes i know its a sin to compare myself to Job, i have not suffered nearly as much as he did... and i am by no means on his level... as much as i like to think i am... and since i am not, then maybe i should not be here typing up all this for all to see, You know, as if to exemplify that even today they can have the same level or unrestrained communication that You allow me, that Job's frankness with You is not just for the pages of the Bible but Your children can have that too, today... but then again, i guess it probably my idea that i am supposed to be doing this, not Yours... generally, Your ideas when they are implemented, You provide smooth implementing, and You children don't have to keep on keeping on in this watered down earthly version of hell... i thought that since the snake is in Your spiritual realm, i was hoping You'd take care of him there... instead of that war spilling over to here and now. somehow when its was for Daniel, Your Archangels warred with the snake in Your spiritual realm and then Daniel got a visit... and whoever is fighting for me, their war spills over here and i have to get hurt... but then again, i don't know what Daniel went through during those 21 days(fast, prayer, all those, as described 10:1-3)... it is all going on in Your realm and then You and him and Your and his armies are going at it to see who wins, that's great i have You to protect me. but why do i get caught in the crossfire? i already said my official allegiance is to You and there is NOTHING he can do to change that, the snake back-stabbed me, i have no intentions of going back... unless You decide to send me away... which i don't expect You to, You said You want me in Your family and i love the idea... i just didn't realize it meant all this, hm, discipline... or that i'd have to be a slave... but i was his slave... so it would only be fair... and yes i know its not fair, to say the least, to expect You to treat me the way he treated me. in any case though, i'd like to go now... i am spending more time than usual, every day now, almost, with You and Your goals, and it is by no means easy, seems when i am around, i get hurt, be it by cheap shots from the snake or the holy fire of Yours... i think i want to be somewhere where i don't have to suffer either... at least for now, until i can lick my wounds so to say, heal... i may not die from this war, but woulds are wounds, there is only so much i can take before i want to get a time off... maybe the black stripe can be over soon? some white would be nice. but then again, where is the longsuffering if i am going to be taking a brake and leaving my post. i am sorry for accusing You of my own faults and expecting You to treat me the way that snake did. and thank you for this time and the forgiveness. Grazie e ArrivederLa Pappa.

i think i do need to leave the topic though, as this is about gambling and all that... not about me.

Edited April 23, 2011 by Aleksander

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i do need to leave the topic though, as this is about gambling and all that... not about me.

Every Thread Is About Jesus

Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you. To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 1 Peter 5:6-11

And About His Love

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. Isaiah 1:18

And The Power

As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us. Psalms 103:12

Of His Blood

And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, Revelation 1:5

To Those Who Trust In Him

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9

Dear Brother Stand Fast In His Word For It's Forever And True

Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee. Psalms 119:11

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Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. Hebrews 7:25

Love, Your Brother Joe

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I Love You LORD

What shall I render unto the LORD for all his benefits toward me?

I will take the cup of salvation, and call upon the name of the LORD. Psalms 116:12-13

I Love You

[Aleksander]

i do need to leave the topic though, as this is about gambling and all that... not about me.

Every Thread Is About Jesus

Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you. To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 1 Peter 5:6-11

And About His Love

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. Isaiah 1:18

And The Power

As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us. Psalms 103:12

Of His Blood

And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, Revelation 1:5

To Those Who Trust In Him

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9

Dear Brother Stand Fast In His Word For It's Forever And True

Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee. Psalms 119:11

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Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. Hebrews 7:25

Love, Your Brother Joe

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I Love You LORD

What shall I render unto the LORD for all his benefits toward me?

I will take the cup of salvation, and call upon the name of the LORD. Psalms 116:12-13

I Love You

amen. and i don't use that word a lot, so... i mean, at the end of the prayer, yes, mine or other's, but aside from that, not really all that often. maybe that's the part of the problem though. and thanks FresnoJoe(Joe, right? )