Will the real day of the Last Supper, please stand up.

[oldzimm]

To me it don't matter if the Last Supper was 3 or 10 days before the crucifixion, the fact is it happen. I found this article of the yahoo web site and thought I'd post it anyhow.

Mon Apr 18, 12:31 pm ET

LONDON (AFP)

[mizzdy]

The supper Yeshua ate with the apostles was not the Passover meal He brought them together to show how the Passover reflect His death, He could not have eaten Passover on the 15th of Abib/Nissan and been the sacrifical lamb which was sacrificed between 3-9 pm on the 14th. If we think about the chaos that happened right after that meal we can see why Messiah broke bread with them telling them the Passover is the memorial meal to be eaten yearly in remembrance of His death and resurrection. The best way to go and look at it is on a nasa website, so basically the 15th of Abib/Nisan was April 4th 30 AD, the lamb was slaughter/He was crucified between the hours 3 to 9 pm or between the evenings, I believe it says that He was slain about 3 pm on the 14th, taken off the cross before sundown on the 15th and would already been put into the grave, that would make 72 hours right about the end of the Sabbath, so Wed to Sat. I think I said that right?! There really is no contradictions in scripture and we all miss so much when we leave off the hebraic nature of the scriptures.

shalom,

Mizz

[JohnD]

Actually it was Galilean Passover (Pesach Galiyl) on which they took a point of disagreement among levitical scholars as to the date the actual Seder was to occur (erev 14 Abib / Nisan or erev 15 Nisan / Abib). Passover is actually a combination of three feasts. Passover Seder, feast of unleavened bread, and feat of first fruits (barley harvest). This is what they disputed over:

Exodus 12:18 (KJV)

18 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even.

Leviticus 23:5-7 (KJV)

5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD’S passover.

6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

Exodus 12:6 (KJV)

6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

Should Passover be on the eve of 14 Nisan / Abib and then the feast of unleavened bread on the 15th? Or both n the 15 since the sacrifice of the Pascal Lamb was to be on the 14th?

The official version was the combined with the feast at sunset. The Galilean Passover was a bit later than sunset as the preparations were made that same evening. Both were practiced in Jesus' day. The Sanhedrin tolerated it because it helped with crowd control as the Holy City was besieged with sojouners at Passover.

In my pov the Holy Spirit brilliantly inspired Moses to write the texts so that there would be a Passover Jesus could keep with his disciples and then be crucified as the official Passover Lamb was being sacrificed. I'm guessing one could hear the shofar trumping as Jesus gave up his Spirit.

 

[JohnD]

It is believed that Jesus used the third cup at Seder to toast the New Covenant in his blood.

The four cups are:

Sanctification - Setting Apart

Instruction - Telling the Story

Redemption - Freedom

Praise - Future

He said he would not drink of the fruit of the vine till all things be fulfilled... meaning the Seder of Christ is not yet completed. This will be the cup lifted in the wedding feast of the Lamb.

[JohnD]

More than likely the temple refurbishment project under Herod gave the old temple doorposts and lintels to be used for other purposes... like crucifixion...

[oldzimm]

You both have brought some interesting thoughts to the table. For myself, I'm not going to get any brain cramps over when the Last Supper was, the meaning of the Last Supper is what is important.

[nebula]

But it is good to understand what is going on.

Jesus' death correlating with the Passover precisely is huge!

[mizzdy]

Actually it was Galilean Passover (Pesach Galiyl) on which they took a point of disagreement among levitical scholars as to the date the actual Seder was to occur (erev 14 Abib / Nisan or erev 15 Nisan / Abib). Passover is actually a combination of three feasts. Passover Seder, feast of unleavened bread, and feat of first fruits (barley harvest).

Lets just stick with scriptures and not go into all that arguing about rabbinical passover debates. According to scriptures there are four Passovers, the actual 'passover' where God promised deliverance from the angel of death for all who believed including Egyptians etc., this was the family Passover. Then as they grew and the tabernacle gave way to the temple we see a congregational Passover where lamb was to be slained by the priests where people gathered in Jerusalem together as a congregation. After Yeshua's death and resurrection we see a personal Passover where all now have a permanate Passover sacrifice a permanate High Priest (change in the covenant) by paratking in this Passover we are saying we accept His sacrifice, we declare He is our sacrifice and are covered by His blood when the second death comes to this earth. And then we have the Kingdom Passover that Yeshua said He would not partake of until He comes again, we are to share among ourselves until He comes again, its when once again death passes over us as it takes away those who refuse to bow to Him, it is the wedding supper of the bride and lamb, His fourth cup is the cup of Praise to be sure!

By the time Yeshua came on the scene the Passover is used for the whole set of feasts. Messiah seder came on the night before He was crucified, the lamb is slain between the hours of 3-9 on the 14th day of Abib and its cooked and eaten on the 15th day of Abib which is the beginning of ULB, the actual 'Passover' is one night. Then we have the first high Sabbath the first day of ULB and then the day after the first regular Sabbath is First Fruits is another high Sabbath as some call them. It is the Feast of First Fruits that Messiah was resurrected, as the days are changing at the end of the Sabbath, then He becomes our First Fruits of the harvest.

The official version was the combined with the feast at sunset. The Galilean Passover was a bit later than sunset as the preparations were made that same evening. Both were practiced in Jesus' day. The Sanhedrin tolerated it because it helped with crowd control as the Holy City was besieged with sojouners at Passover.

In my pov the Holy Spirit brilliantly inspired Moses to write the texts so that there would be a Passover Jesus could keep with his disciples and then be crucified as the official Passover Lamb was being sacrificed. I'm guessing one could hear the shofar trumping as Jesus gave up his Spirit.

I am not sure what you mean by offical version, there is only one offical version and thats the way Messiah did it all those other times before His death and resurrection. Yeshua was not starting a new custom of communion although any time one partakes of the fruit of the vine and the bread of life we are celebrating He becoming our lamb! Yeshua took His disciples on the day to a dinner to break bread and have wine the night of the 14th as the 13th became the 14th then throughout that night after dinner He was taken and interrogated then lead out to slaughter at the same time the lambs were slain for Passover, it was more important to Him to be the Passover than to eat of it as He had done since His birth. The 14th is a day of preparation, taking the lamb to the priest, getting all ones unleavened bread done, a reason why none of the priest would accompany the Messiah into the court they would have become unclean and not able to partake of the Passover. The lambs are slain and taken to be eaten in either home gatherings or congregational settings. As the day turns into the 15th the lambs are cooked and eaten with unleavened bread.

Hope you don't mind putting this into this post instead of making another one.

It is believed that Jesus used the third cup at Seder to toast the New Covenant in his blood.

The four cups are:

Sanctification - Setting Apart

Instruction - Telling the Story

Redemption - Freedom

Praise - Future

He said he would not drink of the fruit of the vine till all things be fulfilled... meaning the Seder of Christ is not yet completed. This will be the cup lifted in the wedding feast of the Lamb.

There are many who attach different meanings to the cups, I list them not much differently than you do, sanctification, deliverance, redemption and praise. I do see the Passover as a renewed/newer one that went along with the renewed/newer covenant, He changed the sacrifice, He changed the Priesthood, He changed the focus of the Passover to His blood and works and not anything done with ones hands. The focus is no longer on the blood of animals that cleans one of sins to the blood of the Messiah who not only covers our sins but also annihilates sin over us when we accept Him, no longer do sins need to be forgiven once a year but each time we sin He forgives us as we call out to Him. What a better sacrifice, what a better way to partake in Passover each year than to have Him as our lamb, our Savior and King.

shalom,

Mizz