can a christian smoke...??

[our3blessings]

[our3blessings]

being honest here too.... as a 25 year smoking veteran, i can honestly say that if i'm ready to bite someone's head off, a cigarette isn't gonna do a darn thing to diminish that desire.  :oww:

Too true!

[Omega]

Drinking Coke will do the same thing to you. It will alter your mood. Eating chocolate will alter your mood. Eating dry foods as opposed to "wet" foods will alter your mood. Generally speaking, whatever we eat is going to cause a chemical reaction within our body to alter our moods. It's when it begins to affect our judgement that it becomes a problem.

Now were talking!

No, we're not. Your original point was that cigarrete smoking was equivalent to marijuana smoking. Marijuana smoking, for the average person, will affect their judgement to the point of being unable to drive or think clearly. A person who smokes, however, generally has no effect what-so-ever on their judgement. If you're asserting that anything that alters our moods is bad, then we would literally have to stop eating.

Hi SUPERJEW! LOL

How are you today?

I knew your going to reply with such conduct , I never stated that they were Equivalent, what does equivalent mean?

Here is to someone who never wants to admit that He make errors!

Equivalent.

[adj] equal in amount or value; "like amounts"; "equivalent amounts"; "the same amount"; "gave one six blows and the other a like number"; "an equal number"; "the same number"

Show me where in my post that I said that they were equivalent?

Do marijuana and cigarettes both produce the same effects?

I stated very clearly that both alter moods and are harmful, I did not say that they are equivalent, I merely pointed out the similarities of the effects within them both.

Now lets take A look at what you said.

Drinking Coke will do the same thing to you. It will alter your mood. Eating chocolate will alter your mood. Eating dry foods as opposed to "wet" foods will alter your mood. Generally speaking, whatever we eat is going to cause a chemical reaction within our body to alter our moods. It's when it begins to affect our judgement that it becomes a problem.

And lets take a look at my response to you:

Now were talking!

I clearly stated that I agrred with you stating that when to certain degrees or when it begins to affect your judgment then it becomes a problem, now tell me Superjew, how is me stating how soming cigarettes and marijuana altering moods are the same as the equivanlency of the effects of both of them, especially when the same dosage is taken with them?

You fail to listen, your just trying to win arguments, I'm not here to argue, I'm here to reach an agreement but I find it very difficult when one does not admit that they made a mistake. I eagerly await your HUMBLE RESPONSE.

God Bless! :hug:

[Guest LadyC]

i should add something to that.... regarding the office workers who come back more relaxed and less frustrated after a smoke break.

if i'm frustrated, angry, or whatever, the simple act of getting away from the source of frustration for a few minutes is going to relax me and clear my head, cigarette or no cigarette.

[Guest LadyC]

omega, no offense, and i'm not one to typically stick up for superjew LOL, but you DID make the comparison!

[Omega]

P.S Superjew,

Try for this once to respond with Humility such as with the opther posters here.

Thanks.

Your Brother in Christ!

[apothanein kerdos]

First off, as Lady just pointed out, you did make the comparrison. If you are simply trying to show a comparrison between the two and say that they are not equal, then great, you've done that. Likewise I've proven that chocolate can be compared to marijuana. This doesn't mean I can't eat chocolate. Just because smoking has a similarity with marijuana doesn't mean smoking is bad. That is the point you were trying to make.

As for responding in humblness, I respond with facts and get straight to the point. I'm not saying I'm better than you and I'm not flaunting anything within my life, thus I fail to see how my post can be arrogant or humble. Their words put together to form a string of facts to refute a position put forth. It's very methodical if you think about it really.

Also, for proof:

Cigarettes and marijuana both cause harm to your body.

Cigarettes and marijuana both alter states of conscious or a persons emotional state.

Is what you said. Are you asserting that smoking alters a person's judgement and likewise if your point wasn't to say smoking is equally as wrong as smoking marijuana then what was your point?

[Omega]

omega, no offense, and i'm not one to typically stick up for superjew LOL, but you DID make the comparison!

Hello Ladyc!

I wll do my very best effort to reiterate this for the last time and then I will bow out of this discussion because I know exactly what is going on here, and will not let the enemy ruin my purpose here, and the prayer I posted regarding unity amongst believers.

I stated clearly the comparisons on how they both alter moods and do harm to the Body such as with you stated the comparisons to Gluttony or overeating, each one of these comparsons you stated has to do with the AMOUNT that is taken. Cigarettes and Marijuana do have copmparisons which I did say but I DID NOT say that they are Equivalent. And I f I am still not understood then so be it. I'm here only for the Glory of God.

God Bless! :hug:

[irishcowboy]

i'm quite tempted to start a topic as charlie suggested... but i really believe it's such a politically incorrect topic that it would probably get pulled in a heartbeat.

i'd bet there are far more gluttons on this board than there are smokers, and i'd be willing to bet a significant portion of them are the ones pointing their fingers about the weak spiritual relationship smokers have with God.

anyone care to state their height/weight or BFI?

is it really such a smokescreen? or is it just an unsubtle reminder to take the 2x4 out of our own eyes before we try to remove the splinter in someone else's?

for the record, i have no idea what my BFI is, but i'm 5 ft 5 1/2 inches and weigh 130 lbs. overweight? not at all. flabby from lack of excercise, and my husband would laugh while describing my gluttonous tendencies... and if it involves pasta, i can be pretty gluttonous.

ht: 67"

wt:145#

bf: 5%

bp: 105 / 55

p: 62

r: 15

good nuff????

hehehehe

mike

[Omega]

First off, as Lady just pointed out, you did make the comparrison. If you are simply trying to show a comparrison between the two and say that they are not equal, then great, you've done that. Likewise I've proven that chocolate can be compared to marijuana. This doesn't mean I can't eat chocolate. Just because smoking has a similarity with marijuana doesn't mean smoking is bad. That is the point you were trying to make.

As for responding in humblness, I respond with facts and get straight to the point. I'm not saying I'm better than you and I'm not flaunting anything within my life, thus I fail to see how my post can be arrogant or humble. Their words put together to form a string of facts to refute a position put forth. It's very methodical if you think about it really.

Also, for proof:

Cigarettes and marijuana both cause harm to your body.

Cigarettes and marijuana both alter states of conscious or a persons emotional state.

Is what you said. Are you asserting that smoking alters a person's judgement and likewise if your point wasn't to say smoking is equally as wrong as smoking marijuana then what was your point?

Hello Superjew! let me try this one more time.

I said since they both alter moods and they both cause harm, what I'm trying to find out from others is are they the same to the Christian regarding sin?

That so hard to understand is it my friend?, that's all i said and the result was a rough and tumble. why?

I Truly Apologize to you if I seemed offensive, I am not that type of person, I'm here to Glorify Christ, not myself. As a matter of fact this is one fo the few forums I have come across so far that has very nice people and respond in kind manners. Lets keep this going, PLEASE!!!!!!

I'll see you guys around the forums,

Take Care and God Bless!

:hug: :il: