If God were walking among us as human, would he be Liberal or Conserva

[winsomebulldog]

All true. However, both political parties court evangelical Christians. The Republicans count on them and they have a large influence on Republican primary voting...however, urban church goers have just as much of a influence on the Democratic primary. Without inner city vote or rural evangelicals and that influence, neither Bush or Obama would have been in the White House. Are these guys using God for personal gain or do you think these parties actually believe that what they stand for is the same as what God himself commands of us?

I won't pretend to know the status of their personal relationship with God, assuming any of them have one, but I do sadly believe that very few, if any, politicians would dare to put God and His will before their own personal agenda. They'll stand for God so long as it doesn't get in the way of their political careers.

[Guest]

Tell me the demographics of a voting district and I can tell you whom the majority would vote for. It is not about God, it is about capitalism versus socialism. Christ said to love our neighbors as we love ourselves. To take care of the widows and orphans. Is that socialism? I don't know. What I do know is that it is all about "what is in it for me." The only difference is that capitalists want everyone to earn and be able to keep what they have, while socialists want what you have without having to actually go out and earn it. (Unless having babies in order to receive more is considered earning it.) They want the capitalists to simply give it to them. I don't believe that is quite what Christ had in mind when He gave us those directions.

[luke22ministries]

I would agree with that! Although I think its a bit more spotty than that. I believe that capitolist would each person to earn what they have, keep what they have and fend for themselves. Widows and orphans are someone elses problem to them. Socialists want you to give them what you earn without them having to earn it. "Whats mine is mine and whats yours is mine too" for them. In my article, I point out that neither model is effective or biblical. While we are commanded to "take care of the widows and orphans" Proverbs says "A lazy hand does not get fed".

Tell me the demographics of a voting district and I can tell you whom the majority would vote for. It is not about God, it is about capitalism versus socialism. Christ said to love our neighbors as we love ourselves. To take care of the widows and orphans. Is that socialism? I don't know. What I do know is that it is all about "what is in it for me." The only difference is that capitalists want everyone to earn and be able to keep what they have, while socialists want what you have without having to actually go out and earn it. (Unless having babies in order to receive more is considered earning it.) They want the capitalists to simply give it to them. I don't believe that is quite what Christ had in mind when He gave us those directions.

[nebula]

I believe that capitolist would each person to earn what they have, keep what they have and fend for themselves. Widows and orphans are someone elses problem to them.

Not necessarily. When major disasters strike, ever notice how much money from the US comes from private donations - companies and individuals? Capitalists are good at giving.

[luke22ministries]

Cant believe I didnt spell capitalist correctly. Yes, capitalist are very good at giving, most of the time, when a hurricane hits or freak of nature happens. However, did you know that as a nation, the average of giving is about 8%. Those who call themselves Christians give about 6%. Those who dont 4%. Suprise you? That is 2% less than what we are biblically instructed to give. So when something terrible happens, we tend to break out the check book...but what about every other time? Please dont be offended, I am not saying this about all Christians. Many give far more than 10%. I am simply making mention of the national US average.

I believe that capitolist would each person to earn what they have, keep what they have and fend for themselves. Widows and orphans are someone elses problem to them.

Not necessarily. When major disasters strike, ever notice how much money from the US comes from private donations - companies and individuals? Capitalists are good at giving.

[nebula]

However, did you know that as a nation, the average of giving is about 8%. Those who call themselves Christians give about 6%. Those who dont 4%. Suprise you? That is 2% less than what we are biblically instructed to give.

Is the tithe to one's church included in that 6%.

and does that include special offerings taken up at churches and small groups?

Can all such figures be calculated?

[luke22ministries]

Hi Nebula,

No ...I dont believe they can. Those figures were from reported contributions from non profits against the average income of Americans. This would include churches but would not include any group that did not designate themselves as a non profit or charity

However, did you know that as a nation, the average of giving is about 8%. Those who call themselves Christians give about 6%. Those who dont 4%. Suprise you? That is 2% less than what we are biblically instructed to give.

Is the tithe to one's church included in that 6%.

and does that include special offerings taken up at churches and small groups?

Can all such figures be calculated?

[~candice~]

However, did you know that as a nation, the average of giving is about 8%. ... (snip)... That is 2% less than what we are biblically instructed to give.

Oh no, they've got you too!!!!

Luke, how much is a christian biblically instructed to give these days?

[luke22ministries]

A tithe to the "storehouse" implies 10%. Again...not chiding anyone. I dont always give 10% myself...and I run a ministry.

However, did you know that as a nation, the average of giving is about 8%. ... (snip)... That is 2% less than what we are biblically instructed to give.

Oh no, they've got you too!!!!

Luke, how much is a christian biblically instructed to give these days?

[~candice~]

A tithe to the "storehouse" implies 10%. Again...not chiding anyone. I dont always give 10% myself...and I run a ministry.

However, did you know that as a nation, the average of giving is about 8%. ... (snip)... That is 2% less than what we are biblically instructed to give.

Oh no, they've got you too!!!!

Luke, how much is a christian biblically instructed to give these days?

I did not feel chided . But I do not believe that Christians tithe under that system today. Our givings are free will offerings, and the church is not the temple.