UndecidedFrog Posted November 12, 2011 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 2 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,063 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 15 Days Won: 1 Joined: 08/02/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted November 12, 2011 Purely as an unbiased observer, I understood Cobalt's post perfectly, as I am sure most people reading these threads did, and there was no way he was implying Pedophilia was a 'right'.... He was actually trying to establish what it was that made homosexual marriage an acceptable 'right', but in the same breath dismissed pedophilia as abhorent. He was trying to equate pedophilia with homosexual marriage. Do you see these two things as similar? If so, I don't see we have much to discuss here. In his question to me, he implied that pedophilia was a right. Something that occurs to me is that if there is concern that the difference is that homosexuality is between consenting adults, whereas pedophilia affects innocent children, where is the concern that by accepting homosexuality as a norm...it affects society from innocent children upwards, and promotes a perversion as acceptable, taught to children so that a whole generation are led to believe it is a right and is morally acceptable, and that those who oppose it are wrong and defective in their moral judgment. By your argument, and refusing to accept the difference between consenting adults and sex with vulnerable children, can you see how accepting heterosexuality as a norm also affects society from innocent children upwards too, and can be used to justify and promote heterosexual pedophilia as acceptable? I think you need to accept that there is a very large difference between consensual adult heterosexual marriage and heterosexual pedophilia. If you see this difference, you should also see the difference between consensual adult homosexual marriage and homosexual pedophilia. If you see this difference too, you should then have no problems understanding that there is also a difference between consensual adult homosexual marriage and pedophilia (hetero or homosexual). Regards, UndecidedFrog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted November 12, 2011 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,885 Content Per Day: 8.05 Reputation: 21,861 Days Won: 77 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Abominations to God are things done out of His designed order! We see the result in many cases death of the individual practicing such! As far a one thing being better or worse than another we see only two outcomes: with Him forever or without Him same length of eternity! One is adults destroying one another the other adults destroying children... the innocent and weak must be fought for! Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~candice~ Posted November 12, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 955 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 11,318 Content Per Day: 1.88 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 33 Joined: 12/16/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted November 12, 2011 Likewise, I don't think anyone here has failed to acknowledge the difference between homosexuality and pedophilia, nor the difference of magnitude of the effect it had on children. Becoming tedious now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemminglord Posted November 12, 2011 Group: Seeker Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 21 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted November 12, 2011 The same-sex marriage experiment will work for the same practical reasons why the different-sex marriage experiment has worked. Marriage is good because it creates increased stability between people. By entering into a marriage contract, responsible adults are signing up for increased rights and the responsibilities that go with those rights. Only by asking more of someone, will that someone step up. People who step up make the world a better place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 The same-sex marriage experiment will work for the same practical reasons why the different-sex marriage experiment has worked. Marriage is good because it creates increased stability between people. By entering into a marriage contract, responsible adults are signing up for increased rights and the responsibilities that go with those rights. Only by asking more of someone, will that someone step up. People who step up make the world a better place. Step up But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Galatians 5:22-25 Or Not Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21 _____________ ________ ______ ___ Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING The LORD bless thee, and keep thee: The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee: The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace. And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27 Love, Your Brother Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted November 13, 2011 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,885 Content Per Day: 8.05 Reputation: 21,861 Days Won: 77 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted November 13, 2011 The same-sex marriage experiment will work for the same practical reasons why the different-sex marriage experiment has worked. Marriage is good because it creates increased stability between people. By entering into a marriage contract, responsible adults are signing up for increased rights and the responsibilities that go with those rights. Only by asking more of someone, will that someone step up. People who step up make the world a better place. I am going to let you in on a little secrete! Before we were created, all the little cosmos and us, only God was! Now if He alone created all else~ don't you think when He said male and female shall become one flesh, this was His design, period? Perhaps you think He made a mistake? Let me know how that's working out for ya! As for me and mine we will recognize God's Sovereign right over His created element and agree His way and no other! After all we are going to stand before Him and give an account for what we have said and done in this life... I seriously, if you, would reconsider finding out what God says in His Word before you speak again! For your opinion is totally opposite His and being opposed to God is not a good thing! Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botz Posted November 13, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 76 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,492 Content Per Day: 0.61 Reputation: 191 Days Won: 18 Joined: 03/29/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted November 13, 2011 Purely as an unbiased observer, I understood Cobalt's post perfectly, as I am sure most people reading these threads did, and there was no way he was implying Pedophilia was a 'right'.... He was actually trying to establish what it was that made homosexual marriage an acceptable 'right', but in the same breath dismissed pedophilia as abhorent. He was trying to equate pedophilia with homosexual marriage. Do you see these two things as similar? If so, I don't see we have much to discuss here. In his question to me, he implied that pedophilia was a right. Hi UF, I know what I read, and believed I saw clearly what Cobalt was implying...I think you have got the wrong end of the stick, and so does the guy who wrote it in the first place...so how can you argue the point? Something that occurs to me is that if there is concern that the difference is that homosexuality is between consenting adults, whereas pedophilia affects innocent children, where is the concern that by accepting homosexuality as a norm...it affects society from innocent children upwards, and promotes a perversion as acceptable, taught to children so that a whole generation are led to believe it is a right and is morally acceptable, and that those who oppose it are wrong and defective in their moral judgment. By your argument, and refusing to accept the difference between consenting adults and sex with vulnerable children, can you see how accepting heterosexuality as a norm also affects society from innocent children upwards too, and can be used to justify and promote heterosexual pedophilia as acceptable? I think you need to accept that there is a very large difference between consensual adult heterosexual marriage and heterosexual pedophilia. Sorry, I don't refuse to see the difference between consenting adults...I fully understand the point you made, and was not knocking it....just pointing out that in itself it is weak, because accepting consenting adults enjoying a homosexual life-style ultimately affects children, and feeds them with an acceptable example of something I believe is morally wrong....this doesn't have to be just about homosexuals either, and nowadays fornication, threesomes, porn etc...all effect every aspect of society from children upwards....so that each subsequent generation becomes more morally corrupt ( the Romans were probably a bit of an example of this). If you see this difference, you should also see the difference between consensual adult homosexual marriage and homosexual pedophilia. If you see this difference too, you should then have no problems understanding that there is also a difference between consensual adult homosexual marriage and pedophilia (hetero or homosexual). Of course I see the differences...... I have homosexual friends who see homosexual marriage as abhorent...the homosexual life-style is bad enough, but trying to foster it on society and make it look decent and normal by wrapping it up in a marriage package under some sort of 'equal rights' umbrella is seen as 'daft and hypocritical' by many that are actually caught in the homosexual web. Regards. Botz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UndecidedFrog Posted November 13, 2011 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 2 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,063 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 15 Days Won: 1 Joined: 08/02/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted November 13, 2011 I know what I read, and believed I saw clearly what Cobalt was implying...I think you have got the wrong end of the stick, and so does the guy who wrote it in the first place...so how can you argue the point? I don't think I interpreted Cobalt1959's intention incorrectly. He deliberately implied in his question to me, that pedophilia was a right, as I see homosexual marriage as a right. I see it for how he wrote it. I have homosexual friends who see homosexual marriage as abhorent...the homosexual life-style is bad enough, but trying to foster it on society and make it look decent and normal by wrapping it up in a marriage package under some sort of 'equal rights' umbrella is seen as 'daft and hypocritical' by many that are actually caught in the homosexual web. LOL, your homosexual friends who see homosexual marriage as abhorrent have probably been indoctrinated with an anti- homosexual religion. Can you guess which one I am thinking of right now? Yes, I am sure historically, that you can also drum up some examples of African slaves in America who saw emancipation as abhorrent as well. Although I think in both cases, these are not representative of the majority. Regards, UndecidedFrog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~candice~ Posted November 13, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 955 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 11,318 Content Per Day: 1.88 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 33 Joined: 12/16/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted November 13, 2011 Then why are they not getting married / being a part of civil unions in countries where it is already permitted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UndecidedFrog Posted November 14, 2011 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 2 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,063 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 15 Days Won: 1 Joined: 08/02/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted November 14, 2011 Then why are they not getting married / being a part of civil unions in countries where it is already permitted? Probably for the same reasons why single heterosexuals do not get married, when and where it is permitted. Regards, UndecidedFrog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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