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[ears]

We don't have much choice in paying taxes. As far as most charities I'm a bit of a skeptic. I see all the time healthy looking people, entire families, receiving government checks. I also see people that seem to fall through the cracks and really need help they don't get. The bible says to give to the poor and we should. I believe that a lazy man is stealing from those that are really in need and will be piling burning coals upon his own head. We must give as the Lord teaches. Just as he most freely gives blessings in our lives.....

[Guest]

And what's really bad about that, is that the people who are working get so tired of caring for those who won't work that they no longer are willing to take care of those who really can't work.

That is so true, and so sad. And with our economy in the tank, even the most deserving are going to be hurt by the policies of our government.

[John Allman]

Where does the bible say that taxes are ordained???

The bible is clear that civil government is ordained. Somebody has to pay for civil government. Every civil government there has ever been has raised taxes to cover its costs. In the Old Testament theocracy of Israel, there were rules in the Mosaic law commanding payments to the Lord's work. In the New Testament, we are commanded to pay taxes to the civil government. Jesus paid his temple tax, despite raising the question as to whether He should have to

The idea that taxation is a modern development, a departure from some only-recently-past golden age when government wasn't financed by taxation as it is nowadays everywhere in the world, isn't supported by scripture or history. When Israel clamoured for a king, the warning was that departing from theocracy would lead to an enlarged public sector, and additional taxation, paying for the royal governance, on top of supporting the priestly tribe of Levi in their work. However, the anarchy of the time of Judges was the down side of the small to non-existent government of that chaotic era, during which there was genocidal civil war, started over a rape and murder committed by Benjamite sodomites. Theocracy isn't really literally government by God. It is government by a priesthood. The priesthood was already partially corrupt in the time of Samuel. Eli's sons did not walk in Eli's ways. Later, Samuel's sons did not walk in Samuel's ways either.

[Isaiah 6:8]

Where does the bible say that taxes are ordained???

The bible is clear that civil government is ordained. Somebody has to pay for civil government. Every civil government there has ever been has raised taxes to cover its costs. In the Old Testament theocracy of Israel, there were rules in the Mosaic law commanding payments to the Lord's work. In the New Testament, we are commanded to pay taxes to the civil government. Jesus paid his temple tax, despite raising the question as to whether He should have to

The idea that taxation is a modern development, a departure from some only-recently-past golden age when government wasn't financed by taxation as it is nowadays everywhere in the world, isn't supported by scripture or history. When Israel clamoured for a king, the warning was that departing from theocracy would lead to an enlarged public sector, and additional taxation, paying for the royal governance, on top of supporting the priestly tribe of Levi in their work. However, the anarchy of the time of Judges was the down side of the small to non-existent government of that chaotic era, during which there was genocidal civil war, started over a rape and murder committed by Benjamite sodomites. Theocracy isn't really literally government by God. It is government by a priesthood. The priesthood was already partially corrupt in the time of Samuel. Eli's sons did not walk in Eli's ways. Later, Samuel's sons did not walk in Samuel's ways either.

So you are saying tithes= taxes???

Also where dies ut state that Jesus paid the temple tax?

[nebula]

The rich giving to the destitute is godly.

Firstly, no one denies this.

Secondly, why are you only targeting the rich? Even the person with a mere two cloaks is told to give to the one who has none.

Taxation is ordained by God.

If you are talking about the tithe, that was more akin to a "flat tax" than anything else. Everyone paid the same percentage.

Arguably, a government that taxes all the rich to support the destitute, instead of leaving charity to the cheerful giver, is a godly government, in this one small respect.

Since when was showing partiality godly?

Show us one instance in Scripture where the rich were commanded to give their earnings to the government to give to the poor.

Your deductive fallacy argument fails.

[oldzimm]

Taxation is ordained by God.

Taxation is not ordain by God.

Plus show me in the U.S. Constitution where Income tax is constitutional.

If we want a fair tax across the board, we should do away with income tax and up sales tax. Then everybody will be paying there fair share according to their wealth, the more you make, the more you spend.

[John Allman]

Taxation is ordained by God.

. . . show me in the U.S. Constitution where Income tax is constitutional.

I am not familiar with the U.S. Constitution, but I don't imagine that the constitution explicitly states that Income Tax is constitutational, or that any of the diverse and novel ways in which tax gets spent nowadays, such as "The War on Drugs", or "The War on Terror", or "welfare", are constitutional, for that matter. I do not believe that that the U.S. Constitution expressly says that it's not murder to kill unborn children either, but I believe that the US's Supreme Court has ruled that that astonishing conclusion is implicit in the Constitution.

I expect the Constitution, which I have never read, provides for the existence of an elected legislature, and that people in the past have voted for legislatures that have passed Acts that enable the raising of taxes, including Income Tax. Your remedies, if your don't like this, are to start a political party committed to the repeal of Income Tax enabling legislation, or to challenge that legislation in the Supreme Court. I think that if you pursue either remedy, you could find yourself kicking against the pricks of what God has ordained in providence. But please feel free to try. In the mean time, I hope you will pay your taxes like a good Christian.

[oldzimm]

Taxation is ordained by God.

. . . show me in the U.S. Constitution where Income tax is constitutional.

I am not familiar with the U.S. Constitution, but I don't imagine that the constitution explicitly states that Income Tax is constitutational, or that any of the diverse and novel ways in which tax gets spent nowadays, such as "The War on Drugs", or "The War on Terror", or "welfare", are constitutional, for that matter. I do not believe that that the U.S. Constitution expressly says that it's not murder to kill unborn children either, but I believe that the US's Supreme Court has ruled that that astonishing conclusion is implicit in the Constitution.

I expect the Constitution, which I have never read, provides for the existence of an elected legislature, and that people in the past have voted for legislatures that have passed Acts that enable the raising of taxes, including Income Tax. Your remedies, if your don't like this, are to start a political party committed to the repeal of Income Tax enabling legislation, or to challenge that legislation in the Supreme Court. I think that if you pursue either remedy, you could find yourself kicking against the pricks of what God has ordained in providence. But please feel free to try. In the mean time, I hope you will pay your taxes like a good Christian.

Our Constitution reads " We The People" are the leaders of this country and as far as starting a new political party, I don't have to because it already started. A lot of heads rolled in the last election and I see a lot more heads rolling in the next, one of these days Washington is going to realize that "We The People" are serious.

[mizzdy]

Where does the bible say that taxes are ordained???

The bible is clear that civil government is ordained. Somebody has to pay for civil government. Every civil government there has ever been has raised taxes to cover its costs. In the Old Testament theocracy of Israel, there were rules in the Mosaic law commanding payments to the Lord's work. In the New Testament, we are commanded to pay taxes to the civil government. Jesus paid his temple tax, despite raising the question as to whether He should have to

The idea that taxation is a modern development, a departure from some only-recently-past golden age when government wasn't financed by taxation as it is nowadays everywhere in the world, isn't supported by scripture or history. When Israel clamoured for a king, the warning was that departing from theocracy would lead to an enlarged public sector, and additional taxation, paying for the royal governance, on top of supporting the priestly tribe of Levi in their work. However, the anarchy of the time of Judges was the down side of the small to non-existent government of that chaotic era, during which there was genocidal civil war, started over a rape and murder committed by Benjamite sodomites. Theocracy isn't really literally government by God. It is government by a priesthood. The priesthood was already partially corrupt in the time of Samuel. Eli's sons did not walk in Eli's ways. Later, Samuel's sons did not walk in Samuel's ways either.

So you are saying tithes= taxes???

Also where dies ut state that Jesus paid the temple tax?

This is an on going discussion in my house! I don't think tithes are taxes at all. What seems to be the case is when Adam and Eve walked out of that garden the need for 'governing' or the structure for such things became necessary. Without God providing for every need man needed to structure their days, when the population grew so the need for civil governance. Whenever people are gathered there is a need for rules otherwise everything breaks down.

We also need to remember that He is the one who raises up leaders and takes them down. There is a need to pay for roads etc. as much as most of us wish wasn't true! We the people, our parents all of us have gotten lazy and allowed another pharoah to enslave us. That whole give to Ceasar what is due to him and give to God what is due to Him is so full of meaning, money is one thing but where our heart lies is something that is most definately another. Yeshua in Matt. 17 got His shekel from a fish and paid the tax, ''Take it and give it to them for Me and you." Also in Ex. 30:11-16 God does require that all the males 20 and over who are subject to the census are to give a shekel for the upkeep of the temple, today the temple is not there so should that be given to our churches or govt?

shalom,

Mizz

[nebula]

I am not familiar with the U.S. Constitution,

I take that to mean you are not an American?