Whats wrong with Yoga and Meditation?

[senerhu]

but you can't serve God and practice this ...because even if you are not seeing it as a religion you are still going throu the motions..its not right...

Oh hey Senerhu..do you realize this is the first thing we have not agreed on?...LOL

SENERHU...Just an example as to the point I am trying to make....

If a Christian is a Secretary and works in an ABORTION CLINIC but doesn't believe abortion is OK ..Is she still condoning it because she works there and makes appointments for abortions to be performed????

It is the same analogy as what I said before..If you part take in something evil or occultish then you are still guilty of participating...

uhhhh....let me think on that one...

[Guest koppen]

Well...noone is raining on my parade....

Thank God...me too.... :hug:

I don't feel any rain drops!!!

Zen... Just to state where I stand ..there is nothing that you or anyone can say that will EVER convince me otherwise about yoga and meditation..I have VERY strong conviction concerning this and that where I stand...PERIOD!

[Guest koppen]

but you can't serve God and practice this ...because even if you are not seeing it as a religion you are still going throu the motions..its not right...

Oh hey Senerhu..do you realize this is the first thing we have not agreed on?...LOL

SENERHU...Just an example as to the point I am trying to make....

If a Christian is a Secretary and works in an ABORTION CLINIC but doesn't believe abortion is OK ..Is she still condoning it because she works there and makes appointments for abortions to be performed????

It is the same analogy as what I said before..If you part take in something evil or occultish then you are still guilty of participating...

uhhhh....let me think on that one...

Made you think ..huh?

[senerhu]

but you can't serve God and practice this ...because even if you are not seeing it as a religion you are still going throu the motions..its not right...

Oh hey Senerhu..do you realize this is the first thing we have not agreed on?...LOL

SENERHU...Just an example as to the point I am trying to make....

If a Christian is a Secretary and works in an ABORTION CLINIC but doesn't believe abortion is OK ..Is she still condoning it because she works there and makes appointments for abortions to be performed????

It is the same analogy as what I said before..If you part take in something evil or occultish then you are still guilty of participating...

uhhhh....let me think on that one...

Actually, you're right...I don't have to think about it, I already answered that to dove2 :hug:

I really don't think we have a difference here at all. I have learned some things from different cultures...true. But I refuse to allow those things to alter or change my belief in Jesus Christ as our Lord. There is only one way to salvation and that is through accepting Him as our Lord. If I didn't have the level of faith in Jesus that I have, I'm not sure I'd be saying the same thing becasue of the influence meditation can have on an individual. That is what is wrong with meditation. Too many young Christians can be influenced by it. It can be a very dangerous toy to play with.

I think many that are prone to try it are also prone to try astrology, scientology, other religions etc...and for that reason, I absolutely agree with you all that these things are wrong.

There are so many kinds of attacks on our foundation for belief. We don't need another. I think the greatest acheivement, other than accepting Christ, is understanding ourselves and the limitations that we have. If we know that anything can cause us to go astray, than it must be abolished from our lives.

[senerhu]

but you can't serve God and practice this ...because even if you are not seeing it as a religion you are still going throu the motions..its not right...

Oh hey Senerhu..do you realize this is the first thing we have not agreed on?...LOL

SENERHU...Just an example as to the point I am trying to make....

If a Christian is a Secretary and works in an ABORTION CLINIC but doesn't believe abortion is OK ..Is she still condoning it because she works there and makes appointments for abortions to be performed????

It is the same analogy as what I said before..If you part take in something evil or occultish then you are still guilty of participating...

uhhhh....let me think on that one...

Made you think ..huh?

you always make me thunk...

except the texas game, that is a no-brainer...

[Guest shadow2b]

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[senerhu]

How does Christianity differ from other World Religions?

'Sincerely believing something does not make it true, as anyone will testify who has ever picked a wrong bottle out of a medicine cabinet in the dark, no matter how sincere or how intense the faith is. Believing something doesn't make it true any more than failing to believe truth makes it false.

Not to rain on your parade, but this applies to Christianity as well. Other religions are just as convinced that they are the only way (including all those little splinter Christianity groups)- what makes your flavor of Christianity any more valid?

Facts are facts, regardless of people's attitudes toward them. In religious matters, the basic question is always, "Is it true?"' (Little p. 146) (Genesis 37:33; Proverbs 14:12; Acts 26:9; 2 Peter 2:5; Luke 17:27).

I'm an agnostic, so I don't believe that any kind of religious belief can be proven one way or the other, but you can hardly promote your religion as cold, hard facts in the sense of being able to be proven or disproven- that's the point of faith, I thought?

Pantheism is the belief that God is the world and the world is God'.

Speaking of which (to steal this from a friend of mine), I thought this was kind of neat:

Hindu Vedas [written at least 3000 B.C.]

PRAJAPATHI VAI AGRE ASSET;-----

[in the beginning was Prajapathi-the Brahman-the GOD]

TASYA VAI DVITIYA ASEET------

[ with whom was the word]

VAG VAI PARAMA BRAHMAN-----

[and the word was verily the supreme Brahman-the God]

______________________________________________________

JOHN 1:1 [ 70 A.D.]

IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD;

AND WORD WAS WITH THE WORD;

AND THE WORD WAS GOD

Eh? Eh? We adopting some things from the Hindu tradition here, or was John wrong?

'God in the objective, personal sense does not fit into the 'Buddhist system'..the founder taught neither prayer nor praise; he offered neither redemption, nor forgiveness, nor heaven; he warned of no judgement and no final hell. He refused to speculate on ultimate reality or the First Cause..he was silent regarding any future life. Buddha, contrary to popular belief, never claimed to be deity. In fact, he was agnostic about the whole question of whether God even existed'. This presents a big problem with Hebrews 11:6.

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is' date=' and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.[/quote']

This passage has always confused me- if Buddha was a seeker he'll be rewarded, so I don't see how that meshes with the "without faith..." thing. It doesn't say "if you don't have faith, you're going to hell," it says "without faith it is impossible to please him."

'Of the great religious leaders of the world, Christ alone claims deity. It really doesn't matter what one thinks of Muhammad, Buddha or Confucius as individuals. Their followers emphasize their teachings. Not so with Christ. He made Himself the focal point of his teaching'. (Matthew 16:15; John 8:24; 6:29; Matthew 10:32 'Confess what'? (Romans 10:9).

So claiming deification automatically makes your creed more legitimate? Odd.

Where'd you get this tract, anyway? I'd google it, but I'm trying to write up something on Catch-22 and monitor the boards too.

NO IT IS NOT--"COOL"IT IS -SATANIC

Prove it. And dude, what's with the odd fonts and colors? It's killing my eyes, here.

I still don't get why you think yoga automatically implies a religious belief. I've had my back thoroughly cracked during a yoga class and never once felt any kind of religious or spiritual effect.

What makes my flavor of Christianity any more valid?

Why, I do believe it is the Christ in it....

I'm an agnostic, so I don't believe that any kind of religious belief can be proven one way or the other, but you can hardly promote your religion as cold, hard facts in the sense of being able to be proven or disproven- that's the point of faith, I thought?

Christ has given us proof. And so has the Scriptures through the prophecies. But one has to be willing to want to understand....

This passage has always confused me- if Buddha was a seeker he'll be rewarded, so I don't see how that meshes with the "without faith..." thing. It doesn't say "if you don't have faith, you're going to hell," it says "without faith it is impossible to please him."

those that follow buddha are not following Christ. If one learns of Christ and rejects Him, then it is impossible to "please Him"....

So claiming deification automatically makes your creed more legitimate? Odd.

no, surrending to the diety that is Jesus Christ makes it legitimate...

[Guest shadow2b]

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[Guest shadow2b]

-no, surrending to the diety that is Jesus Christ makes it legitimate...

-YOU TELL-EM---KURT--BABY :hug: :hug:

:hug: :hug: :hug:

[Guest koppen]

-Have you read every post in this thread? It has been proven several times Zen...Over and over prove it prove it..We post and post scripture to back it up and then someone else says prove it...Come on !

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