TAKE CARE, FAREWELL OR CURSE?

[senerhu]

Correct. That means that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is "idle" talk in the context of this passage. Again, it is not "lazy" speech, but evil speech. You just made my point.

ABSOLUTELY NOT Don't put words in my mouth. You know exactly what I said and ment. And do you reveal what is in yor heart by your words? Think about it.

Larry I am not putting words in your mouth. You said that "idle," as used in this passage, concerned laziness.

It has nothing to do with evil in nature and everything to do with laziness.

LT

I have proved that it refers to evil speech in that passage and you confirmed by showing that the "idle" speech that Jesus was confronting was blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. You made my point. You showed that laziness had nothing to do with Matt. 12:36, but rather it was evil speech that was being dealt with.

That further shows that you are misapplying the passage relative to the phrase "take care." It is not harmful nor unGodly to say that phrase as a farewell wish.

what else is new?

[larryt]

Correct. That means that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is "idle" talk in the context of this passage. Again, it is not "lazy" speech, but evil speech. You just made my point.

ABSOLUTELY NOT Don't put words in my mouth. You know exactly what I said and ment. And do you reveal what is in yor heart by your words? Think about it.

Larry I am not putting words in your mouth. You said that "idle," as used in this passage, concerned laziness.

It has nothing to do with evil in nature and everything to do with laziness.

LT

I have proved that it refers to evil speech in that passage and you confirmed by showing that the "idle" speech that Jesus was confronting was blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. You made my point. You showed that laziness had nothing to do with Matt. 12:36, but rather it was evil speech that was being dealt with.

That further shows that you are misapplying the passage relative to the phrase "take care." It is not harmful nor unGodly to say that phrase as a farewell wish.

Actually you completely overlooked the rest of my explaination and discouonted it.

Mt 20:3  And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,

Mt 20:6  And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?

Lu 24:11  And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not.

1Ti 5:13  And withal they learn [to be] idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.

2Pe 1:8  For if these things be in you, and abound, they make [you that ye shall] neither [be] barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Tit 1:12  One of themselves, [even] a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians [are] alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.

These are all the other places this word occurs in the NT. How does your interpretation fit these verses substituting "evil"?

LT

[Kabowd]

Doing a word search to pull up the word "idle" does not constitute studying it or understanding it within it's context (obviously).

It is still grossly misinterpreted when used in reference to the original post.

[larryt]

Doing a word search to pull up the word "idle" does not constitute studying it or understanding it within it's context (obviously).

It is still grossly misinterpreted when used in reference to the original post.

Explain it to us then O wise and knowledgable one.

LT

[Kabowd]

Doing a word search to pull up the word "idle" does not constitute studying it or understanding it within it's context (obviously).

It is still grossly misinterpreted when used in reference to the original post.

Explain it to us then O wise and knowledgable one.

LT

Explain what? I could give numerous reasons why this entire post could fall under the term "idle" or also called "stupid", but why would I waste my time when my thoughts aren't respected or heard?

[senerhu]

Doing a word search to pull up the word "idle" does not constitute studying it or understanding it within it's context (obviously).

It is still grossly misinterpreted when used in reference to the original post.

Explain it to us then O wise and knowledgable one.

LT

OK...when one says "take care" it is up to God what is one's heart now isn't it...???

[larryt]

Doing a word search to pull up the word "idle" does not constitute studying it or understanding it within it's context (obviously).

It is still grossly misinterpreted when used in reference to the original post.

Explain it to us then O wise and knowledgable one.

LT

Explain what? I could give numerous reasons why this entire post could fall under the term "idle" or also called "stupid", but why would I waste my time when my thoughts aren't respected or heard?

So why should I waste MY time when I am not respected. You may be knowledgable but knowledge puffs up and your respect for your elders is lacking. Now explain how 'idle" does not fit in the explaination of "every idle word" in the section of the post that is pertinant. When your knowledge is tempered with your experience you will have understanding along with wisdom.

LT

[senerhu]

Doing a word search to pull up the word "idle" does not constitute studying it or understanding it within it's context (obviously).

It is still grossly misinterpreted when used in reference to the original post.

Explain it to us then O wise and knowledgable one.

LT

Explain what? I could give numerous reasons why this entire post could fall under the term "idle" or also called "stupid", but why would I waste my time when my thoughts aren't respected or heard?

So why should I waste MY time when I am not respected. You may be knowledgable but knowledge puffs up and your respect for your elders is lacking. Now explain how 'idle" does not fit in the explaination of "every idle word" in the section of the post that is pertinant. When your knowledge is tempered with your experience you will have understanding along with wisdom.

LT

uhhh...larry, do you consider yourself as an elder?

When your knowledge is tempered with your experience you will have understanding along with wisdom.

this sounds like a kerry campaign quote...

[Kabowd]

So why should I waste MY time when I am not respected. You may be knowledgable but knowledge puffs up and your respect for your elders is lacking.

Respect is earned. I show respect to those who are in authority over me and those who have proven themselves to be wiser than me. Most of the time this means they happen to be older than I am. However, I do not automatically respect every person who is older than me. When I am treated with respect, respect is returned. Repeatedly referring to my age, implying that I am "puffed up" and/or speaking to me in a condescending way is not the way to earn my respect.

Now explain how 'idle" does not fit in the explaination of "every idle word" in the section of the post that is pertinant.

In this case, it wasn't proven that "take care" could be considered an "idle word". Therefore, the rest of the analogy quickly breaks down and is no longer pertinant to the topic at hand.

But I'll expound:

"Take Care", Farewell or Curse? Have you ever told anyone to "take care" when you were saying good-bye? Maybe you recently hung up the phone and advised the person on the other end of the line to "take care." Maybe a friend of yours, a Christian, instead of saying "good-bye" told you to "take care." What did you really say to that person or what did he or she really say to you?

When I say "take care" or "be careful" or "drive safely", what did I really say? This is deep, read carefully: I said (and meant) "take care", "be careful" or "drive safely".

You just advised them "to worry" and "to be anxious."

Sorry, but this is simply not true. To state this as fact, you would:

#1 Have to know my heart (which you do not)

#2 Have to know my intent or motive (which you do not)

Frankly, this is where the rest of the post strays into vain imaginations and twisting scripture to support superstition.

When your knowledge is tempered with your experience you will have understanding along with wisdom.

Not always. While I have had experiences which have taught me many things, wisdom is not necessarily born out of experience. Wisdom comes from God and after much pursuit. To imply that wisdom and understanding automatically come from experience is to greatly discredit the power of the Holy Spirit and what God can do through any young person who has had limited experiences. True, with age a person ideally grows, matures and their wisdom deepens. But I know many "elders" who are just as foolish in their later years as they were in their early years. Wisdom has to be pursued.

[larryt]

So why should I waste MY time when I am not respected. You may be knowledgable but knowledge puffs up and your respect for your elders is lacking.

Respect is earned. I show respect to those who are in authority over me and those who have proven themselves to be wiser than me. Most of the time this means they happen to be older than I am. However, I do not automatically respect every person who is older than me. When I am treated with respect, respect is returned. Repeatedly referring to my age, implying that I am "puffed up" and/or speaking to me in a condescending way is not the way to earn my respect.

Now explain how 'idle" does not fit in the explaination of "every idle word" in the section of the post that is pertinant.

In this case, it wasn't proven that "take care" could be considered an "idle word". Therefore, the rest of the analogy quickly breaks down and is no longer pertinant to the topic at hand.

But I'll expound:

"Take Care", Farewell or Curse? Have you ever told anyone to "take care" when you were saying good-bye? Maybe you recently hung up the phone and advised the person on the other end of the line to "take care." Maybe a friend of yours, a Christian, instead of saying "good-bye" told you to "take care." What did you really say to that person or what did he or she really say to you?

When I say "take care" or "be careful" or "drive safely", what did I really say? This is deep, read carefully: I said (and meant) "take care", "be careful" or "drive safely".

You just advised them "to worry" and "to be anxious."

Sorry, but this is simply not true. To state this as fact, you would:

#1 Have to know my heart (which you do not)

#2 Have to know my intent or motive (which you do not)

Frankly, this is where the rest of the post strays into vain imaginations and twisting scripture to support superstition.

When your knowledge is tempered with your experience you will have understanding along with wisdom.

Not always. While I have had experiences which have taught me many things, wisdom is not necessarily born out of experience. Wisdom comes from God and after much pursuit. To imply that wisdom and understanding automatically come from experience is to greatly discredit the power of the Holy Spirit and what God can do through any young person who has had limited experiences. True, with age a person ideally grows, matures and their wisdom deepens. But I know many "elders" who are just as foolish in their later years as they were in their early years. Wisdom has to be pursued.

You missed the point That I was discussing with shilo. We weren't discussing at this point the relevence to the original post on "take care" We were discussing the relevence of "idle" meaning lazy or evil in regard to Matt. 12:36. You jump in on discussions having no inkling of what is being discussed and expect to be taken seriously. I would like to take you seriously.

I am old enough to say from experience that when I sassed an adult I got a whipping. Do you believe I am a Christian? I believe you are. I believe these verses pertain to what I am saying.

1Ti 5:1