So what!

[UndecidedFrog]

amen xyluz, I agree. What tthey don't realize is that they also have a personal encounter with God everyday. All they have to do is look aroundthem at what He created, and look at the people that reflect His son Jesus.

Hi Shiloh62,

Yes indeed. All I have to do is to look at the people that reflect his son Jesus. I am doing that exactly. You have corroborated what I have said in previous posts in this thread. I have to look for evidence of your god in the behavior of christians. And what I find may not be what you intend that I find.

Regards,

UF

[UndecidedFrog]

Reply @ UF

You said "This is the outer court, where the administrators of worthy have permitted non-believer input."

Fact is it was moved to outer court and your original few trolling post made by you was made in "Worthy Welcome"

I never intended to upset you just getting to a point of asking you to keep it where it belongs and not debate the new members like the TC.

FYI, Worthy Welcome is in the Outer Court.

Fact is that the OP entitled this "So what! For you who doesn't [sic] believe in God" in the Worthy Welcome section improperly. However, it is clear both by the content of the OP and the title of this thread that he was addressing non-believers.

I did not place this thread in the Worthy Welcome section of the Outer Court, the OP did. I have no control where this thread began or where it ends up. Your asking should go to the OP.

You have falsely accused me of these things. Isn't bearing false witness a sin?

Regards,

UF

Edited August 20, 2011 by UndecidedFrog

[noobie]

I do know this " From Isaiah 6:8 Moved. The Welcome section is not a place to debate Christianity." on page 1. So I falsely accuse no one. Maybe misunderstood naming but not how it is. Like I said I'm new as well and still learning. I do want to know friend how can you not understand what I am trying to say? He is a new member and you not know him yet. Is that how you start out all your Welcomes? All I am saying is he came to a Christian forum to speak his Christian mind and has to now defend himself.

It only became a debate when you made your first post.

Edited August 20, 2011 by Turner

[UndecidedFrog]

I do know this " From Isaiah 6:8 Moved. The Welcome section is not a place to debate Christianity." on page 1. So I falsely accuse no one. Maybe misunderstood naming but not how it is. Like I said I'm new as well and still learning. I do want to know friend how can you not understand what I am trying to say? He is a new member and you not know him yet. Is that how you start out all your Welcomes? All I am saying is he came to a Christian forum to speak his Christian mind and has to now defend himself.

I did not entitle this thread "So What! For you who doesn't [sic] believe in God". Let me ask you a few questions to your understanding of this:

1) Who do you think is the OP addressing in his title?

2) Who do you think put this thread with this title in the Worthy Welcome Section?

From reading the first few sentences of the OP, let me ask you a few questions to your understanding of that:

But i have realized that he that says there is no God is either blind or naive,...

3) If the statement was claiming this against christians, would you consider this insulting?

4) Would you rightly think that an atheist who reads this will consider this insulting?

Now, reviewing your past posts to me on this thread, using your analogy of different buffets, and asking me not to participate together with your honest answers to the above questions, can you honestly answer these questions?:

5) Were you mistaken, in your past posts to me on this thread?

6) Did you demonstrate christ-like behavior to me?

7) Did you seek to understand the circumstances before judging me?

Now, to answer your questions:

Yes, I understood what you said. I have no way of understanding what you meant to say or are trying to say. Only you can do that. But taking what you said for what it is, I found your buffet analogy inappropriate and misdirected. The OP entitled this buffet (thread) for non-believers. It was a direct challenge, the way he entitled it. If anyone is at the wrong buffet, it is you.

New member or not, the OP's intention is clear in both his OP and the title to this thread. Clearly he wanted to denigrate non-believers.

It is not how I chose to start out. The OP chose to start out this way in the Welcome section.

He came to a christian forum to speak his christian mind by posting his OP that insulted non-believers, and invited non-believers to this thread by his title. Yes, I see the christian behavior in this. I also see the christian behavior associated with your attempts to defend his actions when you should see it for what it is.

It only became a debate when you made your first post.

No, it became a debate when the OP entitled this thread "So What! For you who doesn't [sic] believe in God".

Regards,

UF

[noobie]

I'm sorry what now? I was on a Atheist forum pushing my beliefs on them asking them questions that all lead back to the same place to trap them into saying something beyond the actual point of argument. If you didn't know that was an example and did not happen and your attempt at insulting intelligence isn't very flattering. I don't need a wall of text to express the actual point and that is leave the new members be. You know how many people say negative stuff about Christians? If we was to debate them all like you are saying you was attempting to do we would be out numbered. So I don't see why you can't let the new members say what they got to say and let it bounce off your chest without having a sissy fit. Being a member since 04 and still fighting Christ but still lurk on these forums tells me you are only here to troll. There is no reasoning with you and you say you see it for what it is but you only see what you want. I took in consideration your side and it was void. Since there is no reasoning or understanding on your behalf I will have to refuse anymore reply's it is endless. I do hope you find Christ on your own terms and understanding I will pray for you. God Bless

if i have spoken evil...

...tell me what evil I have said.

But if not, why do you hit me?

[MorningGlory]

If you truly do not believe, UF, why waste your time here? Shouldn't you be off living in nonbelieverville where you don't have to read posts about God?

Hi MorningGlory,

Yes, I truly do not believe in god/s. I spend my time here because I enjoy reading about what christians say, to each other, as well as to non-believers, like me. I enjoy reading about their various views on things.

Where I live is irrelevant to what I read.

I also enjoy interacting with some believers who are kind and considerate. I enjoy comparing these behaviors against other behaviors that are also claimed as "christian" behavior.

I like to observe how christians claim certain things and then watch how they behave. I have learned that although someone may claim something, their true belief is actually demonstrated by their actions and inactions. I am a student of human behavior. How about you?

Regards,

UF

Since you asked....I am a believer in the Living God and Jesus, the Messiah. I am praying for you to find what you're seeking......and you ARE seeking or you would not be here.

[MorningGlory]

amen xyluz, I agree. What tthey don't realize is that they also have a personal encounter with God everyday. All they have to do is look aroundthem at what He created, and look at the people that reflect His son Jesus.

Hi Shiloh62,

Yes indeed. All I have to do is to look at the people that reflect his son Jesus. I am doing that exactly. You have corroborated what I have said in previous posts in this thread. I have to look for evidence of your god in the behavior of christians. And what I find may not be what you intend that I find.

Regards,

UF

You are engaged in a futile endeavor, UF. You are blind to the Truth and will find nothing until you open your eyes and see.

[enoob57]

If you truly do not believe, UF, why waste your time here? Shouldn't you be off living in nonbelieverville where you don't have to read posts about God?

Hi MorningGlory,

Yes, I truly do not believe in god/s. I spend my time here because I enjoy reading about what christians say, to each other, as well as to non-believers, like me. I enjoy reading about their various views on things.

Where I live is irrelevant to what I read.

I also enjoy interacting with some believers who are kind and considerate. I enjoy comparing these behaviors against other behaviors that are also claimed as "christian" behavior.

I like to observe how christians claim certain things and then watch how they behave. I have learned that although someone may claim something, their true belief is actually demonstrated by their actions and inactions. I am a student of human behavior. How about you?

Regards,

UF

Since you asked....I am a believer in the Living God and Jesus, the Messiah. I am praying for you to find what you're seeking......and you ARE seeking or you would not be here.

Ah Ha I wasn't a false accuser...

[UndecidedFrog]

I'm sorry what now? I was on a Atheist forum pushing my beliefs on them asking them questions that all lead back to the same place to trap them into saying something beyond the actual point of argument. If you didn't know that was an example and did not happen and your attempt at insulting intelligence isn't very flattering. I don't need a wall of text to express the actual point and that is leave the new members be. You know how many people say negative stuff about Christians? If we was to debate them all like you are saying you was attempting to do we would be out numbered. So I don't see why you can't let the new members say what they got to say and let it bounce off your chest without having a sissy fit. Being a member since 04 and still fighting Christ but still lurk on these forums tells me you are only here to troll. There is no reasoning with you and you say you see it for what it is but you only see what you want. I took in consideration your side and it was void. Since there is no reasoning or understanding on your behalf I will have to refuse anymore reply's it is endless. I do hope you find Christ on your own terms and understanding I will pray for you. God Bless

Are you sorry? Do you think I am here purposely to trap you? Am I the person who is responsible for making you overstate your arguments and defend what is not worthy of defense?

Have I attempted to insult your intelligence? Is this a new member? He has been here for over a year. Have you attempted to corroborate your assumptions?

From the title of this thread, do you think the OP was inviting debate? This is the key point. If you honestly answer this in the affirmative, your arguments against me fall apart. And if you realize this already, and are truly sorry, I accept your earnest apology.

Yes, I have been a member of these forums since 2004. But I have not been fighting christ. I have been fighting the nasty (and unchristian) behavior that I have (unfortunately) come to witness here. You can interpret that as me being a troll if you desire, it just wouldn't be true.

There is plenty to reason with me, if reasoning is what you desire. However, if what you actually desire is for me to look the other way, you will be disappointed. I see only too clearly what is happening, as any can also see when they review this thread.

You do not need to answer me on the questions I posed to you in a previous thread. They were there to help you through the process that would reveal where you went wrong in your interaction with me. You do not need to admit you are wrong facetiously when you said "I'm sorry what now?" By saying it this way, I sincerely doubt that apology was earnest. When judging the situation, you should not allow the fact that I am an non-believer and the OP is a believer to prejudice you to the facts of who was behaving badly.

You may choose to reply or not reply, as your conscience dictates. Thank you for your prayers for good things. And I hope that your god will open your eyes to the reality of this situation.

Regards,

UF

[UndecidedFrog]

Since you asked....I am a believer in the Living God and Jesus, the Messiah. I am praying for you to find what you're seeking......and you ARE seeking or you would not be here.

Thank you for your prayers for good things.

Regards,

UF