use-supporting scripture does that make it CORRECT?

[Daniel59]

When reading scriptures with understanding, we have the tendency to combine fleshly knowledge with emotion and somewhat eternal thoughts, using imaginary aspects of the fourth dimension or spiritual realm.

I write this as an example to use for a purpose of a question.

There are many who believe that God created Adam on the sixth day such as I do.

But I without scientific evidence to support, I am assuming most think Adam in the Garden was the first Man. Which I say possibly but that’s not the point.

And I also say Eve is the Mother of All living which is to me meaning-Living equates with eternal.

Thus the common teaching is God created man and women in the Garden and from them all mankind has come. I say kind of but there is more.

If you read Genesis in sequence and with an open mind, and understanding you might see that there were many Adams Created on the sixth day and is was not until after the Sabbath God created or appointed a certain Adam to tend to the Garden of Eden .

Here are the passages with some of the supporting scripture.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, (Fisherman) and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. (hunters)

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Gen 1:26-28 (KJV) Note the word Replenish

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. (Gatherers)

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Gen 1:29-31 (KJV)

So when I see this I realize God Created Man and women, Hunters Fisherman, and Gathers, = Races

The "Let Us Create in our image and likeness" tells me we have already been in the spiritual world with God,

Replenish the earth tells me that we were already here in the spiritual realm before God destroyed the First earth age, Not The world

All of this has multiple supporting scripture, but wait there’s more.

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. Gen 2:1-2 (KJV)

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4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. (Farmer)Gen 2:4-5 (KJV)

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The garden of Eden, and the river thereof

Thus after the Sabbath, day eight or whenever

8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. 9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Gen 2:7-9 (KJV)

So sometime after the Sabbath God Created or designated a Man to be a Farmer and created the Garden for him to tend?

And also fulfilled the cleansing process of the requirement of being born of water to enter heaven eternal spiritual dimension thus

good and evil, verses Life eternal when we return to our Spiritual Image after the sorting process. As in the parable of the fig, it takes good and bad to create good fruit.

This would answer a few of the obvious questions such as:

Who the wife was that Cain took in the land of Nod? How Lucifer who was also a cherub was already the Satan in the Newly Created Garden?

Why God who is Perfect would allow sin into this world?

all this has supporting Scripture

I would be happy to supply it here or in a different topic OP but my point is,

Just because I can find these things and use-supporting scripture does that make it CORRECT?

I would say that I did not find these things, the Spirit has directed me to see these things.

Some supporting scripture

16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. Gen 4:16-17 (KJV) Cain being First born where did the land of Nod come from or the wife?

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

John 8:44 (KJV) Who is the murder in the beginning? Cain

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

2 Peter 3:5-7 (KJV) The world perished Not Noahs flood where eight souls and two of every kind were saved

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Isaiah 14:12 (KJV)

3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Gen 6:3 (KJV)

13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

Gen 6:13 (KJV)

19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

Gen 6:19 (KJV)

1 The LORD shewed me, and, behold, two baskets of figs were set before the temple of the LORD, after that Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon had carried away captive Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, and the princes of Judah, with the carpenters and smiths, from Jerusalem, and had brought them to Babylon.

2 One basket had very good figs, even like the figs that are first ripe: and the other basket had very naughty figs, which could not be eaten, they were so bad.

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10 And I will send the sword, the famine, and the pestilence, among them, till they be consumed from off the land that I gave unto them and to their fathers.

Jer 24:1-10 (KJV)

To repeat my question in case you missed it,

Just because I can find these things and use-supporting scripture does that make it CORRECT?

I would say that I did not find these things; the Holy Spirit has directed me to see these things and through prayer has convicted me to them.

Edited January 11, 2012 by Daniel59

[Daniel59]

Eleanor replies: I'm don't understand your point in these particlar Scriptures.

Daniel stated: To repeat my question in case you missed it,

Just because I can find these things and use-supporting scripture does that make it CORRECT?

I would say that I did not find these things; the Holy Spirit has directed me to see these things and through prayer has convicted me to them.

Eleanor, thank you for your well thought reply and time consuming response. I really appreciate that.

I realize what I wrote may seem a bit confused but I didn’t know what to include or how to properly word for my point of question.

I understand what you have explained and that is the common teaching which I am familiar with, however, my point is to ask a question concerning when we see things which may be not be what is typically interpreted or taught, but yet we are convinced what we see is what is actually the meanings/interpretations, how is this resolved?

I use this Genesis 6 day creation as an example because I am trying to avoid an argument over more controversial issues where many clearly don’t agree such as Rapture, or OSAS

To the bigger point of how we settle to resolve who is correct.

You see it your way, I see it mine we both feel strongly in our heart we are correct.

Do we teach what we believe, do we teach nothing, do we even bother to correct?

I hope you see what I’m getting at?

Thank you again

Edited January 11, 2012 by Daniel59

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.... If you read Genesis in sequence and with an open mind, and understanding you might see that there were many Adams Created on the sixth day and is was not until after the Sabbath God created or appointed a certain Adam to tend to the Garden of Eden....

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And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Genesis 2:7

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Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Genesis 3:1(a-c)

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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:1-3

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See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand. For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever. Deuteronomy 32:39-40

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[Daniel59]

Thanks again for your responses

Perhaps if I keep it simple with just a couple scriptures

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, (Fisherman) and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. (hunters) agrees with other races, land of Nod, Cains wife, and more

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. agrees with the Garden of Eden creates the lineage of Jesus,, Bible is tracking of preservation of this seed

Why would this not be construed as two different Fleshly creations? The us created man in our image and God created man in his Image.

Of Course God created everything But we are talking the Flesh not spirit. perhaps the Us is the angels? I wont speculate.

I am aware and have always understood the US in that scripture to be Jesus But that is interpretation and assumption as Jesus in the Flesh, is the son, the living word.

To me this would answer much of the first few problems in Genesis, I am fairly read in the scripture, and I have seen more weaving and swerving to simple questions as to where the land of Nod or Cain’s wife came from.

16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

Gen 4:16-17 (KJV)

According to iscripture Cain was the first born along with Abel whom he mudered. But my reading explains Nod, wife, and how this isn't an error to have sin enter into the world. After all, we were all predestined.

I guess what I’m saying is unless you read it the way I see this. You would have to add to the scripture to explain Cain’s lineage as a result of departure of the Garden all the way through the Kenites

I believe Cain was part of the plan. Not an error by God.

This is just one of the things I see in the OP scripture.

again thank you for your time. RE: OP "Just because I can find these things and use-supporting scripture does that make it CORRECT?"

Edited January 12, 2012 by Daniel59

[Matthitjah]

Thanks again for your responses

Perhaps if I keep it simple with just a couple scriptures

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, (Fisherman) and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. (hunters) agrees with other races, land of Nod, Cains wife, and more

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. agrees with the Garden of Eden creates the lineage of Jesus,, Bible is tracking of preservation of this seed

Why would this not be construed as two different Fleshly creations? The us created man in our image and God created man in his Image.

Of Course God created everything But we are talking the Flesh not spirit. perhaps the Us is the angels? I wont speculate.

I am aware and have always understood the US in that scripture to be Jesus But that is interpretation and assumption as Jesus in the Flesh, is the son, the living word.

To me this would answer much of the first few problems in Genesis, I am fairly read in the scripture, and I have seen more weaving and swerving to simple questions as to where the land of Nod or Cain’s wife came from.

16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

Gen 4:16-17 (KJV)

According to iscripture Cain was the first born along with Abel whom he mudered. But my reading explains Nod, wife, and how this isn't an error to have sin enter into the world. After all, we were all predestined.

I guess what I’m saying is unless you read it the way I see this. You would have to add to the scripture to explain Cain’s lineage as a result of departure of the Garden all the way through the Kenites

I believe Cain was part of the plan. Not an error by God.

This is just one of the things I see in the OP scripture.

again thank you for your time. RE: OP "Just because I can find these things and use-supporting scripture does that make it CORRECT?"

Grace to you,

You've got a huge problem in dealing with scripture like this when you exegete a passage the way that you have done.

Ro 5:12

Therefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

I would say that the Holy Spirit hasn't shown you anything at all when you deny Apostolic Authority, the Word of God, and 2,000 years of Church history.

Peace,

Dave

[Daniel59]

Thanks again for your responses

Perhaps if I keep it simple with just a couple scriptures

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, (Fisherman) and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. (hunters) agrees with other races, land of Nod, Cains wife, and more

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. agrees with the Garden of Eden creates the lineage of Jesus,, Bible is tracking of preservation of this seed

Why would this not be construed as two different Fleshly creations? The us created man in our image and God created man in his Image.

Of Course God created everything But we are talking the Flesh not spirit. perhaps the Us is the angels? I wont speculate.

I am aware and have always understood the US in that scripture to be Jesus But that is interpretation and assumption as Jesus in the Flesh, is the son, the living word.

To me this would answer much of the first few problems in Genesis, I am fairly read in the scripture, and I have seen more weaving and swerving to simple questions as to where the land of Nod or Cain’s wife came from.

16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

Gen 4:16-17 (KJV)

According to iscripture Cain was the first born along with Abel whom he mudered. But my reading explains Nod, wife, and how this isn't an error to have sin enter into the world. After all, we were all predestined.

I guess what I’m saying is unless you read it the way I see this. You would have to add to the scripture to explain Cain’s lineage as a result of departure of the Garden all the way through the Kenites

I believe Cain was part of the plan. Not an error by God.

This is just one of the things I see in the OP scripture.

again thank you for your time. RE: OP "Just because I can find these things and use-supporting scripture does that make it CORRECT?"

Grace to you,

You've got a huge problem in dealing with scripture like this when you exegete a passage the way that you have done.

Ro 5:12

Therefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

I would say that the Holy Spirit hasn't shown you anything at all when you deny Apostolic Authority, the Word of God, and 2,000 years of Church history.

Peace,

Dave

Thank you for response.

I see this as no contridiction nor exageration I would say clearer understanding of those passages with a lot of supporting scripture.

and as for me not being led by the Holy spirit v Apostolic Authority, what is thier explaination of theses couple questions without adding or dancing.

again thanks

[Matthitjah]

Thanks again for your responses

Perhaps if I keep it simple with just a couple scriptures

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, (Fisherman) and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. (hunters) agrees with other races, land of Nod, Cains wife, and more

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. agrees with the Garden of Eden creates the lineage of Jesus,, Bible is tracking of preservation of this seed

Why would this not be construed as two different Fleshly creations? The us created man in our image and God created man in his Image.

Of Course God created everything But we are talking the Flesh not spirit. perhaps the Us is the angels? I wont speculate.

I am aware and have always understood the US in that scripture to be Jesus But that is interpretation and assumption as Jesus in the Flesh, is the son, the living word.

To me this would answer much of the first few problems in Genesis, I am fairly read in the scripture, and I have seen more weaving and swerving to simple questions as to where the land of Nod or Cain’s wife came from.

16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

Gen 4:16-17 (KJV)

According to iscripture Cain was the first born along with Abel whom he mudered. But my reading explains Nod, wife, and how this isn't an error to have sin enter into the world. After all, we were all predestined.

I guess what I’m saying is unless you read it the way I see this. You would have to add to the scripture to explain Cain’s lineage as a result of departure of the Garden all the way through the Kenites

I believe Cain was part of the plan. Not an error by God.

This is just one of the things I see in the OP scripture.

again thank you for your time. RE: OP "Just because I can find these things and use-supporting scripture does that make it CORRECT?"

Grace to you,

You've got a huge problem in dealing with scripture like this when you exegete a passage the way that you have done.

Ro 5:12

Therefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

I would say that the Holy Spirit hasn't shown you anything at all when you deny Apostolic Authority, the Word of God, and 2,000 years of Church history.

Peace,

Dave

Thank you for response.

I see this as no contridiction nor exageration I would say clearer understanding of those passages with a lot of supporting scripture.

and as for me not being led by the Holy spirit v Apostolic Authority, what is thier explaination of theses couple questions without adding or dancing.

again thanks

Apostolic Authority, like the Word of God, and 2,000 years of Church History are safe guidlines in determining whether or not you are exegeting the Word of God correctly and being guided by the Holy Spirit or whether or not you are a lone ranger off on a rabbit trail.

God will never contradict His own Word. Apostolic Authority is determined by whether or not you are adhering to the original Apostles teachings as handed to them by God Himself and adminstrated by the Guiding of His Holy Spirit. So far you disagree with them and the Word of God, not to mention Historical Orthodox Christianity. Therefore, you have a huge problem.

Peace,

Dave

[Daniel59]

Thanks again for your responses

Perhaps if I keep it simple with just a couple scriptures

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, (Fisherman) and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. (hunters) agrees with other races, land of Nod, Cains wife, and more

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. agrees with the Garden of Eden creates the lineage of Jesus,, Bible is tracking of preservation of this seed

Why would this not be construed as two different Fleshly creations? The us created man in our image and God created man in his Image.

Of Course God created everything But we are talking the Flesh not spirit. perhaps the Us is the angels? I wont speculate.

I am aware and have always understood the US in that scripture to be Jesus But that is interpretation and assumption as Jesus in the Flesh, is the son, the living word.

To me this would answer much of the first few problems in Genesis, I am fairly read in the scripture, and I have seen more weaving and swerving to simple questions as to where the land of Nod or Cain’s wife came from.

16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

Gen 4:16-17 (KJV)

According to iscripture Cain was the first born along with Abel whom he mudered. But my reading explains Nod, wife, and how this isn't an error to have sin enter into the world. After all, we were all predestined.

I guess what I’m saying is unless you read it the way I see this. You would have to add to the scripture to explain Cain’s lineage as a result of departure of the Garden all the way through the Kenites

I believe Cain was part of the plan. Not an error by God.

This is just one of the things I see in the OP scripture.

again thank you for your time. RE: OP "Just because I can find these things and use-supporting scripture does that make it CORRECT?"

Grace to you,

You've got a huge problem in dealing with scripture like this when you exegete a passage the way that you have done.

Ro 5:12

Therefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

I would say that the Holy Spirit hasn't shown you anything at all when you deny Apostolic Authority, the Word of God, and 2,000 years of Church history.

Peace,

Dave

Thank you for response.

I see this as no contridiction nor exageration I would say clearer understanding of those passages with a lot of supporting scripture.

and as for me not being led by the Holy spirit v Apostolic Authority, what is thier explaination of theses couple questions without adding or dancing.

again thanks

Apostolic Authority, like the Word of God, and 2,000 years of Church History are safe guidlines in determining whether or not you are exegeting the Word of God correctly and being guided by the Holy Spirit or whether or not you are a lone ranger off on a rabbit trail.

God will never contradict His own Word. Apostolic Authority is determined by whether or not you are adhering to the original Apostles teachings as handed to them by God Himself and adminstrated by the Guiding of His Holy Spirit. So far you disagree with them and the Word of God, not to mention Historical Orthodox Christianity. Therefore, you have a huge problem.

Peace,

Dave

Again I agree with you to a point, however where am I contradicting the words in the Bible?

It may be that you dont agree with what I see,

But I do not see a contradiction, perhaps in teaching, but not in the Letter from our Lord.

But then again, theres is no apple in the Bible either and so many believe that is what Eve ate. So who is adding to the word?

Thank you for time. Peace to you

[Fez]

Again I agree with you to a point, however where am I contradicting the words in the Bible?

It may be that you dont agree with what I see,

But I do not see a contradiction, perhaps in teaching, but not in the Letter from our Lord.

But then again, theres is no apple in the Bible either and so many believe that is what Eve ate. So who is adding to the word?

Thank you for time. Peace to you

Dave is not discussing apples with you, and they hardly apply to the "argument" you present, which goes far further than fruit. He is attempting to instruct you, and knowing him as I do, I consider him eminently qualified to do so.

Now lets talk about the three wise men, a far more important matter than apples. (see what I am getting at?)

Blessings

[Matthitjah]

Again I agree with you to a point, however where am I contradicting the words in the Bible?

It may be that you dont agree with what I see,

But I do not see a contradiction, perhaps in teaching, but not in the Letter from our Lord.

But then again, theres is no apple in the Bible either and so many believe that is what Eve ate. So who is adding to the word?

Thank you for time. Peace to you

The Word of God is built up Line upon Line, precept upon precept.

Isa 28:10

For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

When you have scripture and Church History, not too mention an Apostle like Paul, that disagree's with your assertions and exegetion. You have a problem.

You have the Sure Word of God disagreeing with you;

Ro 5:12

Therefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

That passage doesn't say anything about many men. If you have many moral free agents created and created Good as the Bible indicates about Adam. Then you have many moral free agents that had a decision to make and you leave us with the possibility that some of us have a lineage other than subjecated to sin.

You disagree with the Gospel brought forth by God and spread by the Apostles under the Administration of the Holy Spirit, the Word of God, and 2,000 years of Orthodox Chruch History. Your exegesis fails on all three tests and can't possibly be Holy Spirit inspired.

Peace,

Dave