The Jewish Roots of Christianity

[~candice~]

I don't think anyone here is arguing the fact that we are grafted into the olive tree (Israel) and adopted into their familiy as believers...but we can't be grafted into or adopted into something if we are "it".

Spot on Yod . There is no doubting who Israel is and it is not us. Call them Hebrew or Jew or Israel, I don't really care, but don't try to be one of them if you ain't.

[nebula]

Yoo-hoo!

So, in all of this . . . has anyone bothered to watch the video???

[Guest yod]

Yoo-hoo!

So, in all of this . . . has anyone bothered to watch the video???

Yes. Great stuff.

[Guest]

Yoo-hoo!

So, in all of this . . . has anyone bothered to watch the video???

Yes. Great stuff.

Amen~!

[Guest shiloh357]

Have they? Certainly according to many of the organizations in Israel only those with Jewish blood are Gods children and the 'gentiles' have no part in Gods coming world. I also know several in Israel today who have come to the conclusion that many of us gentiles who are keeping His feasts and Sabbaths who are all part of the scattered northern tribe. One man I know has been battling with this notion for a decade or more who has come to the same conclusion and is starting to put together a book on the subject, he is a tour guide in Israel who listens to those he guides who are coming to the conclusion also.

Why people get all upset and freaked out that there still are 'lost tribes' I dont think they are lost at all but have lost who they are and are waking to the idea they are part of Gods whole plan. Obviously we disagree who Israel is and that God scattered most of them in the nations, and I am fully aware of who was in the land at the time of Messiah. Yet if there are rabbis waking up to this that they may have actually gotten it wrong and God is smarter than they are and that those who are coming out of the mainstream churches may indeed be 'Israel' then how can we not also see that? After all the bible is a story of what God is doing to reconcil back to Himself those who have faith, who love Him, who keep His commandments. Isn't it, a plan of redemption, reconciliation and restoration.

It is a rather flimsy rationale to say that because there are Gentiles that enjoy the Sabbath and other festivals that they must be Israel.

[JohnD]

Mizzdy,

Any innuendo I suggested was only to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Fine, you are a champion of the difference between Judah, Israel, and Hebrew.

What you posted is not correct for the reasons I stated in the last post. There is no more difference between Israeli and Jew than there is between Hebrew and Jew or Hebrew and Israeli. The terms became synonymous over the course of history. Since the days of Moses the children of Israel were known as Hebrews even though technically Hebrew applied to all the clans and tribes and nations descended from Eber. Since the exile of the Northern Kingdom (Israel) the children of Israel were identified by the remaining Southern Kingdom Judah later called Judea. The religion of the people of Israel was Judaism not Israelism.

For the OP to say "Jewish roots of Christianity" is just the same as saying "Hebrew roots of Christianity" and you were out of line correcting them.

[JohnD]

Yod,

If I understand you correctly, I ask you to consider that the Olive Tree is not merely natural Israel but Spirit Israel. For if the natural branches do not believe they are cut off. If the Olive Tree were merely physical Israel then how could the natural branches be cut off for any reason? I say this with the hope that all natural branches that have been cut off will be grafted back in for having belief.

Does that not make more sense? And would this not be the only way the Apostle could make sense by saying:

Romans 9:6 (NASB95)

6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel;

b'shalom.

[anitarose]

Perhaps naming the tribes they way they were named after Shlomo (Solomon)'s time: The Northern Kingdom, the House of EPHRAIM, and the Southern Kingdom, the House of JUDAH.

a.

[nebula]

Yoo-hoo!

So, in all of this . . . has anyone bothered to watch the video???

Yes. Great stuff.

Amen~!

[JohnD]

Perhaps naming the tribes they way they were named after Shlomo (Solomon)'s time: The Northern Kingdom, the House of EPHRAIM, and the Southern Kingdom, the House of JUDAH.

a.

Good point. Note that at least one tribe is missing in the 144,000 of Revelation 7.