Those days shall be shortened

[Montana Marv]

What is the possible meaning of: Matt 24:22 - If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect, those days will be shortened.

A few things to consider is that the Godhead cannot change prophecy once it is given. With this in mind, the last One Seven of Daniel 9:24,27 is a One Seven with two 3 1/2 year periods. All the Seal, Trumpet, and Bowl judgements are fulfilled. The Great Distress of Matt 24:21 is the last 3 1/2 year period.

Now with the 6th Seal there is a disturbance (the whole moon turns blood red).

Rev 8:7 - Hail and fire mixed with blood was hurled to earth; a third of the earth was burned up.

Rev 8:8 - Something like a huge mountain , all ablaze was hurled into the sea and one third of the sea turned to blood.

Rev 8:10 - And a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on one third of the rivers.

What will the heat index upon the earth be like with these three Trumpets. It will greatly increase; maybe to the point that no one could survive.

But now Rev 8:12 - a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night. (more cooling)

One has, Heat, Heat, and Heat put upon the earth, then Cooling. The days have been cut short.

Now a look at Matt 24:29 - Immediately after the distress of those days; the sun will be darkened, the moon will not give off its light.

Compare: Rev 6:12 - the whole moon turns blood red (it still gives off a full reflection).... Rev 8:12 - a third of the moon turns dark.... Matt 24:29 - the moon will not give off its light. (it goes dark)

Just something to think about. There is a progression.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[JohnD]

It means if the days were more in number than they will be, no flesh would be spared. God is rarely early when he intervenes. He is never late. He usually comes in at the razor thin last moment. But in this case he meant that the latter tribulation is shortened by the fact that the former tribulation is lengthened in the 70th Week of Daniel (two tribulations approximately 3.5 years each the first is actually longer and the second that much shorter).

[Montana Marv]

It means if the days were more in number than they will be, no flesh would be spared. God is rarely early when he intervenes. He is never late. He usually comes in at the razor thin last moment. But in this case he meant that the latter tribulation is shortened by the fact that the former tribulation is lengthened in the 70th Week of Daniel (two tribulations approximately 3.5 years each the first is actually longer and the second that much shorter).

OR...it could mean exactly what God described.

There's a massive invasion of Israel and if God doesn't step in, no one will survive.

Jen

That is not what was quoted... It says that no flesh would survive (all would die), BUT because of the elect (Israel) those days will be shortened.

When the armies attack Israel; Israel is already in the wilderness being protected, no harm will come upon them.

But there will be a major invasion of Israel (Ezk 38-39), in which God kills 5/6's of these armies, and those of Israel will be employed for seven months to bury the bodies, they also will burn the weapons of war for 7 years. Hmm.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Edited January 23, 2012 by Montana Marv

[ENOCH2010]

It means if the days were more in number than they will be, no flesh would be spared. God is rarely early when he intervenes. He is never late. He usually comes in at the razor thin last moment. But in this case he meant that the latter tribulation is shortened by the fact that the former tribulation is lengthened in the 70th Week of Daniel (two tribulations approximately 3.5 years each the first is actually longer and the second that much shorter).

OR...it could mean exactly what God described.

There's a massive invasion of Israel and if God doesn't step in, no one will survive.

Jen

That is not what was quoted... It says that no flesh would survive (all would die), BUT because of the elect (Israel) those days will be shortened.

When the armies attack Israel; Israel is already in the wilderness being protected, no harm will come upon them.

But there will be a major invasion of Israel (Ezk 38-39), in which God kills 5/6's of these armies, and those of Israel will be employed for seven months to bury the bodies, they also will burn the weapons of war for 7 years. Hmm.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Joel 2: 17Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?

18Then will the LORD be jealous for his land, and pity his people.

Where is the porch and alter?

[Montana Marv]

Now back to the "shortening of the days".

The length of the great distress (unequaled) cannot be shortened. (the last 3 1/2 years)

Daniels 70th seven cannot be shortened.

The times, time and half a time (3 1/2 years) cannot be shortened. (first or last halves)

The Seal, Trumpet and Bowl judgments cannot be curtailed. (all must be fulfilled)

No duration of time is given for any of the S, T, or B judgments except for the 5th Trumpet.

All these are prophesied in Scripture and therefore cannot be changed.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[just_fish]

I believe that the "shortening of the days" refers to the 3.5 years of Satan's reign in the great tribulation--so it doesn't go longer than that--3.5 being the shortened amount of time.

I also believe it dosen't necessarily point to Israel but to all the "redeemed", or "elect"--both Jew and Gentile.

Just my thoughts, good thread M. Marv.

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Job 5:17

Edited January 25, 2012 by just_fish

[Bible2]

JohnDB said (in post #3):

It means if the days were more in number than they will be, no flesh would be spared.

That's right.

Matthew 24:22 / Mark 13:20 could mean that if the Lord hadn't already shortened (as in "he hath shortened": Mark 13:20) the number of days, hadn't already determined (from the beginning of Creation, cf. Isaiah 46:10) that he would return on the 1,335th day after the abomination of desolation is set up (Daniel 12:11-12, cf. Revelation 16:15), which 1,335th day would be immediately after the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31) events of Matthew 24/Mark 13/Revelation chapters 6-18, immediately after the worldwide destruction of the seventh vial (Revelation 16:19, Revelation 19:2-21); but instead had determined to just let the world suffer through the aftermath of the seventh vial; then all flesh on the earth would die in the aftermath, which could involve a nuclear winter scenario (which the Lord will miraculously prevent at his return) brought on by the ten kings of the Antichrist's empire nuking the cities of the earth at the seventh vial (Revelation 17:16-17a, Revelation 16:19).

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Regarding the 1,290 days and 1,335 days (referred to in the chart in post #3), Daniel 12:11-12 (and Revelation 16:15) could mean that exactly 1,335 (literal 24-hour) days after the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) is set up in the holy place of a third Jewish temple (Matthew 24:15), Jesus will return, and blessed are those believers who wait and remain obedient until that day.

If the 3.5 years/1,260 (literal 24-hour) days of the Antichrist's worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-8, Revelation 12:6b) will begin when the abomination of desolation is set up (Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31), and if the seven vials of God's wrath will begin on the day after the 3.5 years/1,260 days of the Antichrist's worldwide reign are over (Revelation 11:15,19, Revelation 15:5-16:1), and if the first six vials will be poured out over a period of 30 days, then the sixth vial could be poured out on the 1,290th day after the abomination of desolation is set up (Daniel 12:11).

It's on this 1,290th day that the blessing of Daniel 12:12/Revelation 16:15 could be given, after the sixth vial has been poured out (Revelation 16:12), encouraging those in the church who will still be alive on the earth to keep holding on just 45 more days until Jesus returns on the 1,335th day (Daniel 12:12, Revelation 16:15). The 45 days could be taken up by the gathering together of the armies of the world to Armageddon (Revelation 16:14,16) (Har Megiddo: Mount Megiddo in northern Israel) and then their moving south to pillage Jerusalem, right before Jesus returns and defeats them (Zechariah 14:2-21, Revelation 19:19-21).

But before Jesus defeats them, at his second coming the church (which is the elect: Colossians 3:12, 1 Thessalonians 1:4, 1 Peter 1:2) will first be raptured into the sky (1 Thessalonians 4:17, 2 Thessalonians 2:1, Matthew 24:31) to be judged by the returned Jesus (Psalms 50:3-5, cf. Mark 13:27) and married to him (Revelation 19:7).

Edited February 3, 2012 by Bible2

[douggg]

It means if the days were more in number than they will be, no flesh would be spared. God is rarely early when he intervenes. He is never late. He usually comes in at the razor thin last moment. But in this case he meant that the latter tribulation is shortened by the fact that the former tribulation is lengthened in the 70th Week of Daniel (two tribulations approximately 3.5 years each the first is actually longer and the second that much shorter).

John, blessed are those who remain to the 1335th day. You have the 1335th day in the middle part of the 7 years. Does that make sense to you? The 1335th days is the day that Jesus returns on the last day of the seven years.

Put the point of the 1335 day arrow on day 2520. At the tail of the arrow will be day 1185 - which will be the day that the AOD will be setup to be worshiped.

Doug

Edited January 30, 2012 by douggg

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, Montana Marv.

What is the possible meaning of: Matt 24:22 - If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect, those days will be shortened.

A few things to consider is that the Godhead cannot change prophecy once it is given. With this in mind, the last One Seven of Daniel 9:24,27 is a One Seven with two 3 1/2 year periods. All the Seal, Trumpet, and Bowl judgements are fulfilled. The Great Distress of Matt 24:21 is the last 3 1/2 year period.

Now with the 6th Seal there is a disturbance (the whole moon turns blood red).

Rev 8:7 - Hail and fire mixed with blood was hurled to earth; a third of the earth was burned up.

Rev 8:8 - Something like a huge mountain , all ablaze was hurled into the sea and one third of the sea turned to blood.

Rev 8:10 - And a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on one third of the rivers.

What will the heat index upon the earth be like with these three Trumpets. It will greatly increase; maybe to the point that no one could survive.

But now Rev 8:12 - a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night. (more cooling)

One has, Heat, Heat, and Heat put upon the earth, then Cooling. The days have been cut short.

Now a look at Matt 24:29 - Immediately after the distress of those days; the sun will be darkened, the moon will not give off its light.

Compare: Rev 6:12 - the whole moon turns blood red (it still gives off a full reflection).... Rev 8:12 - a third of the moon turns dark.... Matt 24:29 - the moon will not give off its light. (it goes dark)

Just something to think about. There is a progression.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Yeshua` was fairly clear about the "thlipsis," (Strong's NT:2347) the "pressure" or "distress" or "trouble" about to be put upon those to whom the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple meant the most, the Jews! The word occurs three times in Matthew 24 (verses 9 "be afflicted", 21 "tribulation", and 29 "tribulation") and twice in Mark 13 (verses 19 "affliction" and 24 "tribulation").

The "thlipsin" (a gerund noun; a "pressing" or "distressing" or "troubling") started in Matthew 24:9 when they (the ones who come claiming to be the Messiah) deliver His disciples up "into a pressing"; it could have continued far worse IF they had not prayed as instructed in verses 20-21, and it will end just before verse 29. Understanding that this started in the first century with Yeshua`s immediate disciples, it will continue until the signs of the sun, moon, and stars appear in the future.

Thus, the "tribulation" is NOT a mere seven years long, but has been going on close to 2000 years now (from 66-70 A.D. to the present year of 2012 A.D.)! That "pressure," that "distress" will be reduced from time to time so as not to totally annihilate the Jews and this periodic reduction is what Yeshua` meant by verse 22. Instead of the word "shortened," think rather "limited":

Matthew 24:22

22 And except those days should be limited, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be limited.

KJV

[JohnD]

It means if the days were more in number than they will be, no flesh would be spared. God is rarely early when he intervenes. He is never late. He usually comes in at the razor thin last moment. But in this case he meant that the latter tribulation is shortened by the fact that the former tribulation is lengthened in the 70th Week of Daniel (two tribulations approximately 3.5 years each the first is actually longer and the second that much shorter).

John, blessed are those who remain to the 1335th day. You have the 1335th day in the middle part of the 7 years. Does that make sense to you? The 1335th days is the day that Jesus returns on the last day of the seven years.

Put the point of the 1335 day arrow on day 2520. At the tail of the arrow will be day 1185 - which will be the day that the AOD will be setup to be worshiped.

Doug

You presuppose there is no rapture and that the gathering in will be at the second coming of the Lord.

Revelation 3:10 (KJV)

10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

This is prophetic of the tribulation Church. Notice I did not say Great Tribulation. The Great Tribulation is in the last half of the SWD when Satan reneges on his affirmaton of the Mosaic covenant and the world turns on the Jews the way it turned on the Christians in the first half of the SWD.

That will make the one rapture pre-Great Tribulation mid-SWD, and post-believer's tribulation. So... the rapture is all three pre / mid / post once you understand that the SWD is two 3.5 year tribulations and not one 7-year tribulation. Oh, and hat there will be a rapture before the second coming of Christ.