th1bill Posted February 7, 2012 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 116 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 342 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 17 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/12/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/25/1945 Share Posted February 7, 2012 He Did Away With The Law Col. 2:14 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: I have included a bit of the context for the subject verse because it is so important! I am oft assaulted with this piece of heresy and it can be difficult to deal with, no matter your education level. To begin with it is essential that one be in the state of constant prayer but that is a subject for another discussion. Also it is, absolutely, essential that you surrender your daily life into the hands of the Holy Spirit and, daily, spend no less than fifteen minutes in the study of the Word of God. The errant idea I teach against here the idea that because the Christ fulfilled the requirements of the Mosaic Law it has passed away, is one that is prevalent with the New Testament Theology adherents and their teachers. To begin with, the Bible Jesus and His taught from disciples taught from, when we read the New Testament is composed of the first thirty-nine Books of what we, today, term, our Bible. To begin with the very idea must be able to fly in the light of all scripture and it cannot even get past one quote, spoken by Jesus, Matt. 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Heaven must become the Key Word here because any, reasonably, studied Christian knows that Heaven will pass when God, the Creator, destroys it. When we look at the structure of this sentence we see that Jesus did not say, ¨The Heavens,¨ and for this reason He is clearly speaking of the existing spiritual realm of God! The truth of the matter is that before the Earth was, Heaven had been, forever! Next, for this idea to be easily sold, a principal I learned from my military days, must be employed and with this I am about to upset, far to, many people! For a lie, Propaganda, to be sold it must be easily digestible. This is easily accomplished because people, as a whole, are lazy making the truth contained in the lie to be about ten percent. If ten percent of the lie sounds familiar, the rest becomes, just,k commentary, wrapped around it. This is exactly how the Revisionist sells our young people the lies told today, they have heard mom, dad and other relatives say something like that! My point here? Neither the Ten Commandments, nor the following six hundred and three examples of Life Application of the Law are the Mosaic Law. You see, words do count and they do matter. The Ten Commandments are the Law of God, they were, twice, etched or written, in stone by the finger of God, not Moses with a hammer and chisel. The six hundred and three life applications that follow are the God Inspired words of God. Moses, arguably, was the most educated man available but, even so, he was only fortunate enough to have been called by God for the purpose. In the, rather, gross misapplication of this verse those making the error have one point correct, it applies to the Forgiven Sinner. (v. 13) On studying verse 15 we are given to understand that the sacrifice made by has made fools out of the Powers of the Earth. Going further we see that the forgiven need never to be concerned about the judgments of other men about what they eat or drink and that they need not be concerned with some that condemn because of perceived violations of the Sabbath. All of this ¨proof¨ texting is not required among Grounded, in the Word, Christians because they know the most widely accepted and use principal of Scripture Interpretation, ¨Don´t.¨ God has anointed men, down through the years, to translate His Word from the original languages but it has never been a requirement that the Bible be interpreted. The understanding of the scriptures is a very simple thing but that is the reason it is rejected. To understand any single verse or any group of verses all we need to do is to read the Bible! Much to the distaste of the Lost Man, the Bible is self interpreting! Consider... God is the only Infinite Being to be found. There, therefore, can be no finite being that can ever tell anybody what God meant. It therefore fell, and still falls, to God to make Himself understood. God has done exactly that! All we must do is to read... all of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted February 7, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted February 7, 2012 The errant idea I teach against here the idea that because the Christ fulfilled the requirements of the Mosaic Law it has passed away, is one that is prevalent with the New Testament Theology adherents and their teachers. To begin with, the Bible Jesus and His taught from disciples taught from, when we read the New Testament is composed of the first thirty-nine Books of what we, today, term, our Bible. Jesus fulfilled the law, He did not remove it. The law was put in place to act as a mirror to man, and to show him that we cannot obey the law. It was written to show us that we cannot live sinless lives under our own power. (Remember, break one break them all?). Jesus came to replace that mirror. Instead of ourselves in the mirror, we should now see Jesus. And He fulfilled it in so many ways. Like instead of stoning we love? (for example). And instead of....... We love And instead of....... We love And instead of....... We forgive And instead of....... We give etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Durnan Posted February 7, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,782 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 49 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/14/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 7, 2012 If the old Mosaic Code was nailed by Jesus Christ to His Cross on Mount Calvary (as in Colossians 2:13,14), not even a follower of Ellen Gould Harmon White, the founder of 19th-century Seventh-Day Adventism could ever drag it off from there! Amen & Amen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Col. 2:14 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Paul is making an allusion to crucifixion. The Romans would nail the laws a person violated to their cross so that people could see why there were being crucified and this would act as a deterrant for others to do the same. The point Paul is making is that the commandments we broke were nailed to Jesus' cross thus our violation of those laws were imputed to Him. He bore the punishment for our violation of God's commandments. Paul is not saying that Mosaic law was nailed to the cross. The Mosaic law was never the problem. The purpose of the Mosaic law was to show us our sin and it did exactly what God designed it to do. It was our violation of God's law that was the problem. If the law needed to be done away with, if getting rid of God's law would have solved the problem, Jesus would not have needed to die to accomplish that. Jesus death was necessary to pay for our sin, not to eradicate God's law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted February 7, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Col. 2:14 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Paul is making an allusion to crucifixion. The Romans would nail the laws a person violated to their cross so that people could see why there were being crucified and this would act as a deterrant for others to do the same. The point Paul is making is that the commandments we broke were nailed to Jesus' cross thus our violation of those laws were imputed to Him. He bore the punishment for our violation of God's commandments. Paul is not saying that Mosaic law was nailed to the cross. The Mosaic law was never the problem. The purpose of the Mosaic law was to show us our sin and it did exactly what God designed it to do. It was our violation of God's law that was the problem. If the law needed to be done away with, if getting rid of God's law would have solved the problem, Jesus would not have needed to die to accomplish that. Jesus death was necessary to pay for our sin, not to eradicate God's law. In total agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He giveth more grace Posted February 7, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 123 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,049 Content Per Day: 0.32 Reputation: 267 Days Won: 9 Joined: 10/22/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted February 7, 2012 Jesus is my subsitude me! Jesus is my stand-in, he took the fall for me, he obeyed the law for me and now he keep it in me. I don't keep the law, the love of God is in my heart, therefore I love and I therefore do no harm to my neighbor (steal, do no murder, covet, etc). Just random thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted February 7, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 910 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,667 Content Per Day: 2.01 Reputation: 5,844 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted February 7, 2012 There are two laws. The Law of Moses. The Law of Christ. Just as the law of aerodynamics supersedes the law of gravity so the Law of Christ supersedes the Law of Moses. Galatians 6:2 (KJV) 2 Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. 1 Corinthians 9:19-21 (NIV) 19 Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. It can also be said that by adhering to the law of Christ (John 3:16-18) we fulfill the Law of Moses because the Law of Moses was given to lead us to Christ and remains to judge those who do not come to faith in Christ. Galatians 3:24-25 (KJV) 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. John 5:45 (NIV) 45 “But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted February 7, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.26 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted February 7, 2012 Col. 2:14 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Paul is making an allusion to crucifixion. The Romans would nail the laws a person violated to their cross so that people could see why there were being crucified and this would act as a deterrant for others to do the same. The point Paul is making is that the commandments we broke were nailed to Jesus' cross thus our violation of those laws were imputed to Him. He bore the punishment for our violation of God's commandments. Paul is not saying that Mosaic law was nailed to the cross. The Mosaic law was never the problem. The purpose of the Mosaic law was to show us our sin and it did exactly what God designed it to do. It was our violation of God's law that was the problem. If the law needed to be done away with, if getting rid of God's law would have solved the problem, Jesus would not have needed to die to accomplish that. Jesus death was necessary to pay for our sin, not to eradicate God's law. In total agreement Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~candice~ Posted February 7, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 955 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 11,318 Content Per Day: 1.88 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 33 Joined: 12/16/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted February 7, 2012 Col. 2:14 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Paul is making an allusion to crucifixion. The Romans would nail the laws a person violated to their cross so that people could see why there were being crucified and this would act as a deterrant for others to do the same. The point Paul is making is that the commandments we broke were nailed to Jesus' cross thus our violation of those laws were imputed to Him. He bore the punishment for our violation of God's commandments. Paul is not saying that Mosaic law was nailed to the cross. The Mosaic law was never the problem. The purpose of the Mosaic law was to show us our sin and it did exactly what God designed it to do. It was our violation of God's law that was the problem. If the law needed to be done away with, if getting rid of God's law would have solved the problem, Jesus would not have needed to die to accomplish that. Jesus death was necessary to pay for our sin, not to eradicate God's law. In total agreement Agreed. Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
th1bill Posted February 7, 2012 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 116 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 342 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 17 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/12/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/25/1945 Author Share Posted February 7, 2012 If the old Mosaic Code was nailed by Jesus Christ to His Cross on Mount Calvary (as in Colossians 2:13,14), not even a follower of Ellen Gould Harmon White, the founder of 19th-century Seventh-Day Adventism could ever drag it off from there! Amen & Amen! If that were what it said you would e right but that´s not what it says, sooo... you´re trying to walk on deep water without God if you believe He did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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