Can Women Lead The Flock?

[Floatingaxe]

No, the prophetic gift falls on women as well as men and each are called to use the gift---unhindered!

You are speaking from a congregational teaching and not a Scriptural one... this is a wonder to me for you have seen the Scripture already given and here the Lord even gives the reason

1 Tim 2:12-13

12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.

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God has taught us that satan stepped from his created appointment and place thus he sinned and that we are to look out for this

spirit influence in all that we do and say?

1 John 4:1

4 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

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Now as you read this you will want to go to accusation... do not do this as you are family by the Lord! However if the clear undisputed passages of Scripture say one thing and others are telling you elsewise-> listen to the Scripture and rebuke that which is contrary!

Love, Steven

I must reiterate: the prophetic gift falls on women as well as men and each are called to use the gift---unhindered!

It is an evil spirit that some may call pride that has permeated the Church since the beginning, misinterpreting Paul out of ignorance of the whole message of scripture, and creating an atmosphere of misogyny in the Church. What people have done by this erroneous mindset is to separate, rather than unify, and have thus fulfilled the plan of Satan by effectively halving the workforce of God in the world and in the Body of Christ.

philosophy and opions but where is the Scripture for the stand? Love, Steven

I should ask you that. All scripture attests to the fact that women were at one time considered unequal, yet since Christ came and set all things aright, the Church has been given the job of showing the world just that very truth. Paul did not teach that women could not preach or teach. His admonitions about women were to correct the situations that arose in particular churches with particular women who were misbehaving.

That's what I thought you have only philosophy and opinion and terrible exegesis of Scripture... Love, Steven

Sorry you think that, enoob, when we agree on so many other things. I never rely on philosophy and opinion, but only on the understanding of scripture in context and on the basis of the full volume of the Book. Any exegesis I put forward is always good. It may be terrible to you, but then again, that is only your opinion. I am glad it isn't God's.

[enoob57]

Sorry you think that, enoob, when we agree on so many other things. I never rely on philosophy and opinion, but only on the understanding of scripture in context and on the basis of the full volume of the Book. Any exegesis I put forward is always good. It may be terrible to you, but then again, that is only your opinion. I am glad it isn't God's.

Loved one there will always be differences within the body here because of sin... we are all sinners and at war with it!

It is not an anxiety for this between us as only a understanding to be straightened out by God in His Good Time! Your heart has not responded ugly nor mine we have spoken to one another in love- this is as it should be!

I am sure you are convinced in your heart and this is your heart to come before Christ with ... I with mine as well, the best treatment of Scripture I have seen on the subject is here http://www.gotquesti...en-pastors.html it is a respectable council for truth! Love, Steven

[Floatingaxe]

Sorry you think that, enoob, when we agree on so many other things. I never rely on philosophy and opinion, but only on the understanding of scripture in context and on the basis of the full volume of the Book. Any exegesis I put forward is always good. It may be terrible to you, but then again, that is only your opinion. I am glad it isn't God's.

Loved one there will always be differences within the body here because of sin... we are all sinners and at war with it!

It is not an anxiety for this between us as only a understanding to be straightened out by God in His Good Time! Your heart has not responded ugly nor mine we have spoken to one another in love- this is as it should be!

I am sure you are convinced in your heart and this is your heart to come before Christ with ... I with mine as well, the best treatment of Scripture I have seen on the subject is here http://www.gotquesti...en-pastors.html it is a respectable council for truth! Love, Steven

You're right in what you say, enoob, except that we are no longer considered sinners and really must cease to fall to that former standing, and also---I completely disregard what the people at GotQuestions have to say about this subject. It is just not respectable counsel.

[enoob57]

You're right in what you say, enoob, except that we are no longer considered sinners and really must cease to fall to that former standing, and also---I completely disregard what the people at GotQuestions have to say about this subject. It is just not respectable counsel.

Well your more advanced than me then I daily repent from things found in me, thoughts, actions, pride in fact the more I draw near to God the greater I see His perfection and my utter failures ... I am a man broken and contrite before my Perfect Lord! It is not that I do not love Him for I certainly strive with mind, heart and strength to obey all that he shows me daily within His Word... it's just never perfect as He 'IS' and as the Love He puts within me presses me to further my obedience so also the increase of sorrows for my failings-> yet every morning I wake to Him and I sense His Love for me and that mixes every emotion I own into some dumb struck awe of Just Him and the reason He 'IS' worthy to receive all honor and glory that ever has been or ever shall be!!! To give you an idea about myself I weep a lot when I write.... I know, I know ... crybaby

GotQuestions... well their not really giving their opinions their treating all avenues of interpretations with exegetical recourse

Love, Steven

[Floatingaxe]

Well your more advanced than me then I daily repent from things found in me, thoughts, actions, pride in fact the more I draw near to God the greater I see His perfection and my utter failures ... I am a man broken and contrite before my Perfect Lord! It is not that I do not love Him for I certainly strive with mind, heart and strength to obey all that he shows me daily within His Word... it's just never perfect as He 'IS' and as the Love He puts within me presses me to further my obedience so also the increase of sorrows for my failings-> yet every morning I wake to Him and I sense His Love for me and that mixes every emotion I own into some dumb struck awe of Just Him and the reason He 'IS' worthy to receive all honor and glory that ever has been or ever shall be!!! To give you an idea about myself I weep a lot when I write.... I know, I know ... crybaby

That's all fine and good, but is you know Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, then you are like me---a saint---a former sinner. you, like so many others, need to discard those old clothes and put on the new.

GotQuestions... well their not really giving their opinions their treating all avenues of interpretations with exegetical recourse

Love, Steven

Believe me ( I am sure you won't! ), it is an opinion based on the wrong conclusion of their study.

[Guest LadyC]

just throwing out a question here, because i skipped from page four to this last page....

to the person who said that there was a reason women are not supposed to preach/teach, that reason being that women were the first to be deceived...

are you seriously trying to imply that a man's preaching is infallible

Is that what the Word of God states in 1Ti 2:12-15?

no. God's word does not in any way state that

If Scripture does not state that in 1Ti 2:12-15, which is the the topic of discussion,

why would you ask that unrelated question.

eleanor, i do believe that you are misinterpreting my question, which has since been clarified by the person i was posting it to. but to clarify what I was saying, and you can feel free to challenge it if you want (but i won't engage), nowhere in 1 Ti 2, nor in any other place in scripture, does God indicate that any human man is incapable of erring. in fact, God's pretty clear that all man is fallible.

[Floatingaxe]

Sinners are not saved, but the sinful are.

Sinners are sinful.

Now, what?

[Guest LadyC]

just throwing out a question here, because i skipped from page four to this last page....

to the person who said that there was a reason women are not supposed to preach/teach, that reason being that women were the first to be deceived...

are you seriously trying to imply that a man's preaching is infallible

Is that what the Word of God states in 1Ti 2:12-15?

no. God's word does not in any way state that

If Scripture does not state that in 1Ti 2:12-15, which is the the topic of discussion,

why would you ask that unrelated question.

eleanor, i do believe that you are misinterpreting my question, which has since been clarified by the person i was posting it to. but to clarify what I was saying, and you can feel free to challenge it if you want (but i won't engage), nowhere in 1 Ti 2, nor in any other place in scripture, does God indicate that any human man is incapable of erring. in fact, God's pretty clear that all man is fallible.

What does that have to do with the line of authority established by God, which is the topic of discussion?

oh for crying out LOUD, eleanor. i misunderstood what someone had said, and had THOUGHT that person was saying that the REASON that women weren't to preach was because they were fallible and men are not. ok? get it now? so can you please be the one to get back to the topic of discussion since the person whom i had misunderstood has answered my question and we're all on the same page?

[enoob57]

just throwing out a question here, because i skipped from page four to this last page....

to the person who said that there was a reason women are not supposed to preach/teach, that reason being that women were the first to be deceived...

are you seriously trying to imply that a man's preaching is infallible

Is that what the Word of God states in 1Ti 2:12-15?

no. God's word does not in any way state that

If Scripture does not state that in 1Ti 2:12-15, which is the the topic of discussion,

why would you ask that unrelated question.

eleanor, i do believe that you are misinterpreting my question, which has since been clarified by the person i was posting it to. but to clarify what I was saying, and you can feel free to challenge it if you want (but i won't engage), nowhere in 1 Ti 2, nor in any other place in scripture, does God indicate that any human man is incapable of erring. in fact, God's pretty clear that all man is fallible.

What does that have to do with the line of authority established by God, which is the topic of discussion?

oh for crying out LOUD, eleanor. i misunderstood what someone had said, and had THOUGHT that person was saying that the REASON that women weren't to preach was because they were fallible and men are not. ok? get it now? so can you please be the one to get back to the topic of discussion since the person whom i had misunderstood has answered my question and we're all on the same page?

[Floatingaxe]

What are you sucking on in that pic?